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A conversation with a right winger about laziness and the OWS (I don't know if they're evil or dumb)
I thought I’d entertain a few of you this am with the exchange between a rightwing lackey and me.
(This one started on the heels of this idiot talking as if humans were born with a LAZY GENE, and I accused him of thinking this way).
ME: Okay, so you said this: "I do not believe that people are basically slothful.." Then why do you behave and think as if you did?
RIGHT WINGNUT: I don't. I believe they are rational. You feel we should guarantee a middle class income for everyone. I don't believe people should be allowed to starve or go without shelter, but we should NOT guarantee more that the basics.
ME: I think you’re delusional. What you believe is the basics, is not even the basics. I already know this. We’ve been down this f-d up road before. I think a living wage should be guaranteed, and those who can't take care of themselves should be cared for. I do, however, want to get to the bottom of your basis of belief of slothfulness, which you deny but I have seen clearly. Explain this slothfulness belief further:
(1) What is slothfulness in people?
(2) What do you think causes slothfulness in people?
(3) Do you believe all people are basically slothful?
(4) Do you think the rich that inherit are not slothful?
(5) Do you think that you are slothful? If yes, why? If no, why not?
RIGHT WINGNUT: No. You explain to me why the farmers in Alabama cannot find workers with the unemployment rate as high as it is there.
ME: Because the threats of prison have caused migrant workers to go home to Mexico.
And why don't Americans take these jobs?
(1) Who has the frikkin' gas money to go miles and miles to pick?
(2) What does $2.50/hour pay for? Rent? Food? Where? When? In the U.S. of 1910?
(3) Who stays with children if women are going to displace themselves to go 30 miles to pick at $2.50/hour? You? Or will you pay for their child care at 4 times that price?
You are a linear thinker, XXXX. You don't see everything that is in the world, you don't understand that everything is complex. You just think things are easy for everyone else except for you.
RIGHT WINGNUT: Which means the jobs are open. Why are they not being taken by Americans who want to work?
ME: Do you read English? It seems you don't. You’re too busy being the happy, brain-dead lackey of the right wing wealthy. I just told you why Americans don’t take those jobs.. Return to that e-mail and read it. If you read through e-mails as carefully as you did that one, small wonder you are clueless about what's going on around in the world, and are so utterly obsequious to those who are f-ing up your country.
RIGHT WINGNUT: I dare you to defend this from Occupy Wall Street. Find anything even close at a Tea Party Rally. If you think this is in any way defensible, do not write me again! You have gone completely nuts.
ME: An entire peaceful movement, and you manage to dig up the only example Fucks News could dig up with someone behaving extreme. You trip over yourself to run and 'forgive' every perverted, violent, and fucked up behavior in your beloved right wingnut groups, but oh boy, a death penalty is deserved for 1 lib that isn’t moderately pleasant. You'd make one fantabulously GREAT Rightwingnut Pep Club Captain, Dan. Fucks News would give you one heck of a big medal. You're a lackey with a BIG L. And by the way, for someone who defends the revolution against the British overlords, and taxation without representation, you sure have turned into a coward about this revolution against the overlords here, and taxation without representation. Of course I'd be glad not to write you again. Do I need an empty-brained serf flapping his jaws, repeating what he's been told to repeat, to waste my precious time on? Uh... the answer to that is a clear no.
RIGHT WINGNUT: You are the one for taxation. The representatives I vote to elect are those who are against it. You are all for more taxes so long as you are taxing someone else. Now defend that idiot calling for the burning of NY.
ME: Naturally. I am for taxation because I’m not a 2 year old, dreaming that Santa Claus will take care of everything. You, on the other hand, live in a fairy tale world in which things are run moneyless and magically. XXXX, that's why you're a right wingnut. Your brain is absent of any logic whatsoever, you read absolutely frikkin' NOTHING but chewed-up-1%-lackey-propaganda pablum from Fucks News, you drink right wing Kool-Aid from the GOP reps who want you to remain a serf and keep their asses living well off you, and though deep down inside you might realize it's all one huge pile of dogshit, you blind yourself to it and follow orders, because it's like a pep club of sorts. Cheering for the Wingnut Party just makes you feel sooo cozy that nothing else matters. Granted, they might be turning your country into a 3rd world nation, and impoverishing you (as they already have), but what about that cozy feeling loving up those fuckers gives you, huh? Can’t let that warm feeling go, can you, XXXX? Please seriously consider become a Republican politician shoe polisher. It suits you well.
Can people put the Anonymous logo on their e-mail? I mean, think of it. What if MILLIONS had the Anonymous logo on their e-mail, even if all they did was sit at home and read blogs and things? It's one more way to grow this leaderless movement.
decided to type crap because DU makes them feel threatened:
Can this be changed? Added to? Edited?
This is what I just heard. Has anyone heard the same? I plan to find out today if this is true, because if it is, it's one more bs study by corporations:
29,000 women average age 62 were asked to take survey about vitamins. Same women were asked to take the survey 11 years later at average age 73. Same women were asked to take the survey again 7 years later at average age EIGHTY YEARS OLD!
Uh... DUH!!!!!!!!!!! You know, I see what gets passed as 'science' and it scares the heebee jeebies out of me, because it's not science, it's bullshit.
Apparently this Texas Judge beats his disabled daughter with a belt. She has (from my understanding in reading the article in Spanish - from El Pais) cerebral palsy, however, she set up a camera and this got recorded one day a few years ago, when her father beat the crap out of her, and another woman in the background was egging him on.
This is the typical Republican, with the typical punitive Republican view of life, and the typical way they exist on the planet to do only harm.
http://www.freep.com/article/20111103/NEWS... (SMALL VIDEO HERE)
http://www.elmundo.es/america/2011/11/03/e... (LARGE VIDEO HERE)
Jonah Shacknai is a pharmaceutical company tycoon, and he was in the FDA approving medicines for our use.
Is there something wrong with this picture??????? No wonder the FDA routinely approves drugs that kill.
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation
Jonah Shacknai, founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation since 1988, has an extremely well diversified corporate and public service background. From 1977 until late 1982, Mr. Shacknai served as chief aide to the House of Representatives' committee with responsibility for health policy, and in other senior legislative positions. During his service with the House of Representatives, Mr. Shacknai drafted significant legislation affecting health care, environmental protection, science policy, and consumer protection. He was also a member of the Commission on the Federal Drug Approval Process, and the National Council on Drugs. From 1982 to 1988, as senior partner in the law firm of Royer, Shacknai, and Mehle, Mr. Shacknai represented over 30 multinational pharmaceutical and medical device concerns, as well as four major industry trade associations. Mr. Shacknai also served in an executive capacity with Key Pharmaceuticals, Inc., prior to its acquisition by Schering-Plough Corporation. In November 1999, Mr. Shacknai was selected to serve on the Listed Company Advisory Committee to the New York Stock Exchange (LCAC). The LCAC was created in 1976 by the New York Stock Exchange board to address issues that are of critical importance to the Exchange and the corporate community. In May 2002, Mr. Shacknai was honored with a Doctorate of Humane Letters by the NYCPM (affiliate of Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons), and in the Fall of 2001, he received the national award from the Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge®. In January 2000, Mr. Shacknai was selected as Entrepreneurial Fellow at the Karl Eller Center of the University of Arizona. Mr. Shacknai is president and director of the Whispering Hope Ranch Foundation, a ranch centered around special needs children, and is an honorary director of Delta Society, a public service organization promoting animal-human bonds. He is also a director of the Southwest Autism Research & Resource Center and the World Craniofacial Foundation, and a director of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. In 1997, he received the Arizona Entrepreneur of the Year award, and was one of three finalists for U.S. Entrepreneur of the Year. Mr. Shacknai has served as a member of the National Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases Advisory Council of the National Institutes of Health, and on the U.S.-Israel Science and Technology Commission, both federal cabinet-appointed positions. Mr. Shacknai obtained a B.S. degree from Colgate University and a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center.'
by Joel Bleifuss
In These Times magazine, October 2003
Are they nuts?
Have you ever wondered about those ubiquitous conservatives?
Why do they support tax breaks for the rich when so many of their fellow citizens are in dire straits? Why do they applaud John Ashcroft and his post-9/11 curtailment of civil liberties? Why do they oppose laws that address historic wrongs and enforce constitutionally guaranteed rights? Why do they respond to a societal drug problem with incarceration and expanded prison construction? Why do they gut regulations that are meant to protect the environment? Why do they invest more than half of our tax dollars in the military? Why are they so meanspirited? In other words, why do conservatives do what they do? Are they nuts? (clip)
(clip) The authors acknowledge what has long been assumed by sociologists, economists, and political scientists: people adopt conservative beliefs to serve their own self interests. They agree that this helps explain the conservatism of "upper-class elites." However, the authors hold that the personal need to "reduce fear, anxiety, dissonance, uncertainty or instability" better explains why a vastly greater number of people who are not part of the elite, and particularly those who are disadvantaged or from low-status groups, "might embrace right-wing ideologies." (clip)
Why Is Occupy Wall Street Going Global?
By Christopher Alessi
Oct 18 2011, 9:19 AM ET 3
The Occupy Wall Street protests that began in New York City a month ago gained worldwide momentum over the weekend, as hundreds of thousands of demonstrators in nine hundred cities protested corporate greed and wealth inequality. Protesters from London to Sydney echoed the anti-capitalist, populist rhetoric of the Occupy movement in what was deemed a "global day of protest".
Critics of the Occupy protesters say they are naïve and incoherent; others accuse them of being anything from Communists to anarchists. However, many proponents see the Occupy movement as a nascent populist counterweight to the Tea Party movement. The Occupy protesters "represent a genuine spark of grassroots political action--a chance, finally, to redeem the promise of Obama's 2008 campaign," write John B. Judis and Jonathan Cohn in the New Republic. However, Cornell University professor Sidney Tarrow cautions against seeing the Occupy movement through the lens of the Tea Party: The former has few policy plans and is comprised of a "shifting configuration of supporters".
European leaders were more unequivocal in their support of the weekend protesters, openly sympathizing with widespread anger at the continent's big banks. German finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble said he was taking the protests "very seriously," while incoming European Central Bank President Mario Draghi said, "The young people have a right to be furious." In the UK, Foreign Minister William Hague acknowledged, "in the banking system a lot has gone wrong." The protests in Europe have an even greater sense of urgency than in the United States, as policymakers call for recapitalizing European banks to avoid sovereign debt contagion from Greece.
See full article here:
The idea of people running around nude, is not only objectionable to me, but it is unsanitary.
It's rude. It also puts less-than-clean people's fecal matter everywhere they sit their behinds, and the drippings from their urine-covered hairs. Lastly, this gives sexual perverts whose thrill it is to exhibit themselves, and pedophiles who live to show their genitals to kids.
I hope it's eventually banned.
San Francisco may pass public nudity restrictions
Associated Press, 09.07.11, 12:25 PM EDT
SAN FRANCISCO -- Nudists in San Francisco might soon lose the freedom to bare it all - at least some of the time.
Walking around naked is legal, but a city supervisor concerned about public health and sanitation introduced legislation Tuesday that would require nudists to put something under their bottoms if they take a seat in public.
Supervisor Scott Wiener's proposal would also require nudists to cover up when they are in a restaurant.
Obama's "conciliatory" and "reasonable" approach, far from being wise and strategically far-seeing, has proven to be simply weak and vacillating. This is related to the "chess master, or pawn?" debate about Obama's strategy from earlier this summer.
To show that this remains a debate, as opposed to a settled conclusion, after the jump I offer a comparably strong indictment of the Republican opposition that so far has thwarted Obama more often than he has outmaneuvered them.
This essay is from Truthout today, and it is by a recently retired Congressional staffer named Mike Lofgren. Lofgren's name is barely known to the general public, but among people who have covered or worked in the national-security field, he is a familiar and highly esteemed figure. He spent 28 years as a Congressional staffer, mainly on budget matters, mainly in the defense-and-security realm, and mainly for Republican legislators.
The rich and corporations have bled this country dry through:
1) Free trade;
2) Paying no taxes; and,
3) Corrupt banking practices.
Listen to Dylan Ratigan, who has explained the problem and offered the solution.
Tell me if he left anything out. I don't think so.
Look at Brazil. Brazil is one of the most successful capitalistic countries in the world.
Capitalism sure helps the wrong ones, doesn't it?
But it's his willingness to take on entitlement programs that conjures up memories among some Democrats of the tax deal he negotiated with Republicans with the clock winding down at the end of 2010 that reportedly had House Democrats chanting "Just say no!" in a closed-door meeting before eventually voting for the package.
See the rest at link:
The lynch mob mentality that we Americans have become since the influence of Repugnicans from the 80s to the present, has brought us to this shit.
The miserable postscript for a Casey Anthony jurorBy Kerry Sanders, NBC News
Her name remains a secret. She’s known simply as juror number 12. And while she has a certificate from Florida’s 9th Circuit, embossed with calligraphy thanking her for her duty as a member of the Casey Anthony jury, her life since being released from that duty has been one of cat and mouse.
Now, she’s in hiding.
Juror number 12 left Florida. Her husband, fighting back tears, tells NBC News he’s not sure when she’ll return to her home in Florida.
Republicans strike me as Nazi Light. Actually, not even THAT light. How we've allowed this sort of creatures to exist, and still pretend they're simply normal right wingers, is beyond me. In any case, here are a few of the similarities between the two groups.
SIMILARITIES BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND NAZIS:
1) The scapegoating of, and prohibition of unions;
2) Allowing the confiscation, removal and arrest based only on suspicion of acts 'against the state;'
the torture of mega-millions without trials;
3) Allowing corporations to use prisoners as free or nearly-free labor;
4) The torture and murder of anyone socialist, Communist, or in disagreement with right wing fascism;
5) The fooling of the population through propaganda, as well as deceptively named groups;
6) The promotion of certain groups (a uber-race, or a uber-group) to the exclusion of others;
7) The murder of mega-millions without trials;
8) A contempt for democracy (Hitler said Democracy was corrupt and soft, while Bush said being a dictator would be easier than being president);
9) The association of patriotic symbols as propaganda (so that anyone in disagreement with the regime could be scapegoated as 'unpatriotic');
10) The scapegoating of the poor, the colored, the unusual, the disabled, the helpless, the handicapped, the gay, the feeble-minded;
11) The use of religion to promote regime and thought control - xenophobia (God is seen as Republican, and German Nazis had belt buckles that read, “Gott Mitt Uns” (God is with us));
a love of war;
12) The use of distractions (Reichstag fire used to suspend liberties. GW Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq, so he could attack the country);
13) A love of radio propagated propaganda (nowadays we have that as well, hosted by many Joseph Goebbels);
a worship of authoritarians (strong, sociopathic leaders feigning patriotism, who are blindly followed by their followers, even when the truth is exposed);
14) No compassion; and,
15) The abolishment of abortion.
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Any fellow Texans still here?
Getting kinda lonely in these here parts.....
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