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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Mon Nov 14th 2011, 11:35 AM
As I've written elsewhere, I definitely became disillusioned over college athletics the more engrossed I got in it. It's a sick, cult/tribal culture of yahoos, elitists, idols, sacred cows, and wealthy white men.

There's a cognitive disconnect when it comes to sacred cows. SMU student-athletes, most of whom were innocents, had the misfortune of not being protected by attending an NCAA sacred cow university. There have been, and will always be innocents when a program receives the death penalty, and, in most cases, it's not the players at fault. That's not a prerequisite for the death penalty. With the exception of the point shaving scandal, it's always the actions of adults in, or outside, the athletic department. A few players are participants in corruption, possibly receiving money or having their grades changed, but put that in perspective: there are 85 players on a football team. In other words, about 80 innocents are affected by the actions of a few adults in the program. There always have been innocents adversely affected when the death penalty is handed down, that is an inconvenient truth. Penn State does not deserve special consideration simply because they (WE) ARE PENN STATE!

As to Luke's point that they haven't broken any rules, that may not matter. This incident will fall under the NCAA ethics bylaws. So, the death penalty is, and should be, on the table.

If the NCAA looks at sanctioning Penn State, it appears it would include looking at NCAA Bylaw 2.4, on "principles of sportsmanship and ethical conduct," which calls for "intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants ... . These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."

This broad bylaw typically has been used to regulate behavior such as trash-talking during a game. It appears to be unprecedented to use the bylaw to penalize an institution over ethical conduct. But this obviously is an unprecedented circumstance that has unfolded in State College.

...they are alleged crimes, but the alleged crimes are horrific. That takes it to another level. Some of the infractions that have occurred in the past did not reach the level of criminality.


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college...

The professional aspirations of the prospects won't be much impacted. First, scouts know who the prospects are, and there aren't 85 prospects on any program. Second, only 250 players are drafted each year, the remainder sign free agent contracts. Tony Romo wasn't drafted, he signed on with the Cowboys as a free agent. Third, players may transfer to programs like Ohio State, Michigan, Pitt, etc.. College football will persevere.

Finally, if not the NCAA, PSU may opt for a self-imposed mercy killing. They are inviting a lot of unrest as it is already. These next few weeks will give the university an opportunity to test the winds once the team finally leaves their isolated Paterno compound. They may learn that the rest of the world isn't as forgiving as Happy Valley.

EDIT: death penalty should be on the table
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sun Nov 13th 2011, 11:37 PM
...I love the NFL.

I definitely became disillusioned over college athletics the more engrossed I got into it. It's a sick, cult/tribal culture of yahoos, elitists, idols, sacred cows, and wealthy white men.

I couldn't be more pleased than to see the demise of college football gods.
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sun Nov 13th 2011, 09:55 PM
...are taking a, "Wait, and let's see," approach and not receptive to what's already out there. In another thread similar to this, I tried to help the OP by bringing the 1998 incident to his/her attention. I provided a link. I didn't get a response. Seems that the "Wait and see" side is equally close minded, if that's what you're getting at.
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sun Nov 13th 2011, 07:59 PM
It's part of their 50 State plan to redistrict the U.S. Labor/Dems move out and districts turn red. Already blue districts get "bluer."
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sun Nov 13th 2011, 05:58 PM
If there is any presumption it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.
(John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton)



Don't think the OP has a clue about the 1998 investigation and the "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" in 2002 Paterno has testified to.

According to Paterno's own grand jury testimony, then graduate assistant Mike McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" to a young boy.


Paterno never needed hindsight
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/11/p... /
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 02:24 PM
Feds open investigation into Penn State sex abuse scandal

US Secretary of Education Arne Duncan announced Wednesday that a federal investigation is underway regarding the failure of Penn State University officials to report allegations of sexual abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. So far, Athletic Director Tim Curley and University Vice President Gary Schultz have resigned after being indicted on charges of lying to an investigating grand jury and failing to report allegations of the abuse in 2002...

...The Clery Act, named for Jeanne Clery, a college student who was raped and murdered in 1986, requires colleges and universities to prepare, publish and distribute an annual security report in which there is a disclosure of all criminal offenses reported to campus security authorities or local police agencies. University officials are required to report suspected criminal offenses to campus security authorities. Additionally, each institution of higher education is required to develop and distribute a statement of policy regarding the procedures followed once a sex offense has occurred. Clery Act compliance is the responsibility of the U.S. Department of Education."


http://www.delconewsnetwork.com/articles/2...

Arne Duncan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Duncan
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 01:21 PM


Yeah, somehow they turned a message about child abuse into a battle cry.

Unbelievably tone deaf!

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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 07:14 AM
Worth taking a look if you haven't already seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=033KON3o9hI
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 04:43 AM
Great article. People are finally free to speak their mind about Paterno. Not flattering!

According to those who were directly involved in the interview process, it was Paterno who chose Tim Curley to become PSU's athletic director in 1993.

"Joe wanted to pick his man and Joe did," says a person with firsthand knowledge of the interviews.

Paterno had equity at Penn State, the kind of equity that gave him the power to essentially stiff-arm the school's efforts to coax him into retirement in 2004. He tried the same audacious tactic earlier this week when he announced his decision to retire at season's end and added, almost as a warning it seemed, that the PSU board of trustees had more pressing matters to deal with than his job status.


http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/...
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 04:15 AM
This was a big effing cult. People/communities who worship their leader just don't flip.

All y'alls and I can say we'd beat the living piss out of Sandusky untill we are blue in the face, but the fact is, people under the influence of their idol don't flip. Difficult to fathom, but that's exactly how cults, the mafia, the Nazis, the Catholic Church were able to commit autrocities over a long stretch of time.

That's just people.
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 04:05 AM
whereas Democrats can't wear flannel shirts. I don't know how they do it; those fuckers are masterfully brilliant.
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Sat Nov 12th 2011, 12:58 AM
That's just people. When people worship people, they fall in line; it's the code of omerta. That's how autrocities can be committed over such a long span of time. It explains Hitler. If it were you or I, yeah, we would have flipped on Paterno and told the Nazi's to go to hell. But you and I don't get it. We're not under the rule of the Godfather. Paterno didn't answer to his "superiors." He was Penn State. Not only was the administration and student body under Paterno's sphere of influence, so were law enforcement, prominent alumni, it goes on and on.

Falling in line is what people who worship others do. Hard for you and me to fathom, but that's what people really do.
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Fri Nov 11th 2011, 11:23 PM
Evidence suggests those who worship others would not intervene.

That's just people. You may not want to accept it, but it's the ugly truth about people.
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Posted by WhaTHellsgoingonhere in General Discussion
Fri Nov 11th 2011, 10:40 PM
I'll bet McQueary knew all along that he was going to be the scapegoat.

Damn Judas!
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