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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Fri Dec 16th 2011, 10:36 PM
us older folks.

Plus I miss some posters and am slow to adjust.

I had my TV turned off and maybe next is the internet.
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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Fri Dec 09th 2011, 12:31 PM
of Hillary Clinton?

The website: /

Welcome to The Henry Jackson Society's Website
The Henry Jackson Society: Project for Democratic Geopolitics is a cross-partisan, British-based think-tank. Our founders and supporters are united by a common interest in fostering a strong British and European commitment towards freedom, liberty, constitutional democracy, human rights, governmental and institutional reform and a robust foreign, security and defence policy and transatlantic alliance.

The wiki:

The Henry Jackson Society is a non-partisan association. The society's goals include the promotion of "democratic geopolitics".<1> The society is named after Henry M. Jackson, the late Democratic Senator from Washington State. Besides favoring labor unions, full employment, and welfare in domestic policy, Jackson was in foreign policy known for his opposition to communism and support of a strong military.

Inspired by Jackson, the society sponsors research on democratization and advocates the support of democracy movements internationally by democracies. The society supports the intelligent and proportional use of military power in specific situations: to end ethnic cleansing, to remove dictators after non-military methods have failed, and to prevent the breakdown of the rule of law. Its perspective has been described as Atlanticist. It supports the European Union and advocates a European Security and Defence Policy called "military interoperability".

Originating within the University of Cambridge, the organisation is now based in London. It is a registered charity in the United Kingdom.

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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion: Presidency
Fri Dec 02nd 2011, 02:33 PM
The settlement applies to at most 500,000 of 5.2 million American Indians.

The settlement pays only $2 billion dollars for 90 million acres of resource rich (and exploited)lands, an area nearly the size of California.

For example: More of the Yurok Reservation in northcoast California belongs to Simpson Timber Company, a private corporation, than the Yurok Tribe . Most of the Simpson lands within the Yurok Reservation were untouched redwood lands adjacent to the Tall Tree Grove of Redwood National Park until after WWII.

Google the Redwood National Park Expansion and what the Feds paid for 48,000 acres of which 42,000 acres was less than 40 year old clearcuts.

Google Pacific Lumber - Maxxum and the 12,000 acres Headwaters Forest bought by the Feds and how much paid.

I have been involved in this issue all my life and did court work in Colorado and New Mexico as far back as the 1980s for claims of mismanagement of Indian Trust lands by the BIA.

Read post #3 and think. Many of the more educated and aware American Indians realize the fraud.

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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion: Presidency
Fri Dec 02nd 2011, 01:50 PM
when the settlement is nothing but short-term political expediency, willful ignorance, and a sell out of the Indian Peoples by their own current leadership.

There are individual Tribes harmed more than the settlement for the entire USA.

Cobell vs Salazar was the longest and potentially largest class action suit in the history of the USA.

The settlement is the sealing wax on American Indian genocide.

The suit limited members of the class action, ignored 100s of lawsuits of BIA mis-management prior to or excluded from Cobell, and less than 2 cents on the dollar for damages, and pays only $2 billion for 90 million acres of Indian Trust lands sold by the BIA to whites and corporations under the Dawes Act. Imagine paying $2 Billion dollars for California.

The Dawes Act, adopted by Congress in 1887, authorized the President of the United States to survey Indian tribal land and divide the land into allotments for individual Indians. The Act was named for its sponsor, Senator Henry L. Dawes of Massachusetts. The Dawes Act was amended in 1891 and again in 1906 by the Burke Act. The stated objective of the Dawes Act was to stimulate assimilation of Indians into American society. Individual ownership of land was seen as an essential step. The act also provided that the government would purchase Indian land excess to that needed for allotment and open it up for settlement by non-Indians.

The impact on Indians of the Dawes Act was negative. The act "was the culmination of American attempts to destroy tribes and their governments and to open Indian lands to settlement by non-Indians and to development by railroads."<1> Land owned by Indians decreased from 138 million acres (560,000 km2) in 1887 to 48 million acres (190,000 km2) in 1934.<2>

Cobell v. Salazar (previously Cobell v. Kempthorne and Cobell v. Norton and Cobell v. Babbitt) is a class-action lawsuit brought by Native American representatives against two departments of the United States government. The plaintiffs claim that the U.S. government has incorrectly accounted for Indian trust assets, which belong to individual Native Americans (as beneficial owners) but are managed by the Department of the Interior (as the legal owner and fiduciary trustee). The case was filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. The original complaint asserted claims for mismanagement of the trust assets; these were subsequently disallowed since such claims could only properly be asserted in the United States Court of Federal Claims.

The case is sometimes reported as the largest class-action lawsuit against the U.S. in history, but the basis for this claim is a matter of dispute. Plaintiffs contend that the number of class members is around 500,000, while defendants maintain it is closer to 250,000. The potential liability of the U.S. government in the case is also disputed: plaintiffs have suggested a figure as high as $176 billion, and defendants have suggested a number in the low millions, at most. In 2008, the district court awarded the plaintiffs $455.6 million, which both sides have appealed. Cobell v. Kempthorne, 569 F. Supp.2d 223, 226 (D.D.C. 2008).

On July 29, 2009, the D.C. Court of Appeals vacated the award and remanded the District Court's previous decision in Cobell XXI. See, Cobell v. Salazar (Cobell XXII), 573 F.3d 808 (D.C. Cir. 2009).

On December 8, 2009, a $3.4 billion settlement was announced.<1> $1.4 billion of the settlement is allocated to plaintiffs in the suit, and up to $2 billion is allocated for re-purchase of lands distributed under the Dawes Act. President Barack Obama signed legislation authorizing government funding of a final version of the $3.4 billion settlement in December 2010, raising the possibility of resolution after fourteen years of litigation. Judge Thomas Hogan will oversee a fairness hearing on the settlement in the spring of 2011.

PS There is a frequent poster here at DU that posted an article re: Cobell vs Salazar and linked to the WH Blog that appeared at DU before being posted on the WH Blog and another frequent poster who tried to do damage control and the thread rapidly sank.

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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Wed Nov 30th 2011, 03:06 PM
of the ecological limitations of Earth and the competitive and predatory nature of humankind.

The tipping point will be war, pestilence, natural disaster(s), or more likely a cascading combination of events. I expect this will happen in what we call the 21st century.

Ironically and despite current financial conditions and wars, there are more humans that are secure and obtain high standards of living than ever before.

But the Earth is suffering mass extinctions, global climate change (because of the use of fossil fuels), soil and water degradation, and a variety peak availability of a variety of natural resources. Our technological advances come with costs. Most recent, the revolution in communications technology is morphing into a social control mechanism. By splitting the atom, we can destroy ourselves.

In the USA, instability (and greatest change) follows periods of greatest social inequality: the Civil War, the Guilded Age, the Roaring Twenties, and now. The danger is much higher now because of the globalization of social economy and ecological and natural resource degradation. Consciousness and spirituality has not kept up with technology. Predators, medieval superstitions, and the struggle to meet basic human needs and wants rule the day.

The USA is a global military and financial empire and we have lost our democratic republic IMO. Education and not media and government or other entrenched institutions has a liberal and progressive bias.

The election of POTUS Obama gave me great hope but he and our other pols and leaders chose preservation and extention of the status quo over social redesign to benefit The People. Probably, current trends are inevitable and unavoidable, the crash of an accelerating runaway train running out of track.

Reviewing my life, I am most glad about all the opportunities to learn and travel and most proud of my idealism. Idealism may be the achilles heel of the liberal.

So yeah, we are facing a shitstorm of major proportions relatively soon and things are not going to get better but rather much worse for most of us and our children.

The higher the climb, the harder the fall.
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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Tue Nov 29th 2011, 03:51 PM
I watched this a year or so ago on satelite TV and considered RFK's death a straightforward case closed event. I was the most involved in that election cycle, 1968, than any until POTUS Obama. I started out for McCarthy but ended up for RFK but was too young to vote. /

Speculation about the 1968 assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy is fueled by the new documentary RFK Must Die: The Assassination of Bobby Kennedy by Shane O'Sullivan, an independent researcher. The film is an expansion of a BBC broadcast in 2006 by Mr. Sullivan attempting to prove that CIA operatives were present at the Ambassador the night of the assassination and may have been involved in the events that took place that horrible night. Sullivan believes that the CIA targeted Kennedy because of his role in the Bay of Pigs invasion, his pledge to end the War in Vietnam, and his vow to reopen the investigation into the murder of his brother if he became President.

Though Sirhan Sirhan was arrested, tried, and convicted for the RFK killing and is now serving a life sentence for murder, he still maintains that he has no recollection of the shooting and his easy susceptibility to hypnosis has led to speculation that he may have been a programmed "Manchurian Candidate". Additionally, other tantalizing facts have emerged that raise questions as to whether or not others may have been involved in the shooting. Seven bullets were removed from bodies, an eighth bullet was traced through two ceilings, and two more bullets (labeled as such on FBI photographs) were identified as lodged in the door frame of the pantry by both LAPD and FBI personnel, yet Sirhan's gun could hold only eight bullets. Astonishingly, these door frames and ceiling tiles containing bullet holes were destroyed by the LAPD shortly before the trial of Sirhan Sirhan along with 2,410 photographs taken during the investigation.

This information is doubly disturbing fact in light of the subsequent coroners report that declared that all three of the bullets striking Kennedy entered from the rear and no more than one to three inches from Kennedy's ear (Sirhan was estimated to be between three to six feet in front of the Senator). The three senior CIA officials identified in the film are David Morales, Gordon Campbell, and George Joannides and two of them can be seen moving away from the hotel pantry shortly after the shooting. Morales was known to be a violent and ruthless man with an explosive temper. He was involved in the capture and killing of Ché Guevara and had boasted to friends after both Kennedy brothers had been killed, "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard."

Also site for the movie and book plus updates. /

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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Mon Nov 28th 2011, 01:34 PM
Our troops in Afghanistan are landlocked sitting ducks now. \11\26\story_26-11-2011_pg1_3

No dictation, please!

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan rejected on Friday the suggestion of US Ambassador Cameron Munter that the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project was not in its interest. Talking to the media, Information Minister Firdaus Ashiq Awan said that Pakistan would not take dictation from any one on the project and would do whatever was in the interest of the country. She said that that Iran and Pakistan were neighbours and that the two countries had been involved in trade and enjoyed economic relations to their mutual advantage. About the Turkmenistan gas pipeline project, she said that there had been significant progress on it during the visit of the Turkmenistan president to Pakistan. \11\26\story_26-11-2011_pg1_2

Don’t take gas from Iran, US ‘advises’ Pakistan
* Munter says Pakistan vital for Afghan peace

LAHORE: US Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter on Friday said that Iran was not reliable and making a pipeline deal with that country was a bad idea.

The ambassador was talking to the media after delivering a policy speech at The Ambassadors’ Forum of the Lahore University of Management Sciences on Friday. To a question about his meetings with ISI DG Ahmed Shuja Pasha and PTI chief Imran Khan, Munter made it clear that he had formal meetings with them but never met them together. On the memo issue, he said that Pakistani authorities would have to decide how to handle the matter and the modalities for any investigation into the issue. “We welcome Sherry Rehman who has replaced Husain Haqqani and hope that Pak-US ties will be further strengthened,” he added. “We’ll be as helpful as we can in any way if we’re asked,” he said.

He said that the US knew that Pakistan could be helpful in maintaining peace in Afghanistan. The US supported trilateral talks and meetings like in Istanbul, he said, adding that Pakistan’s cooperation in the war on terror was vital for the security of both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Earlier delivering a speech, the ambassador said that the US wanted a strong Pakistan and Pakistan’s success was America’s success. “We are very much in support of the democratic process here, we support your constitution, we support the rule of law, we support the will of the Pakistani people,” he said.

Pakistan buries troops as rage spreads

* Thousands of enraged Pakistanis take to streets across country, burning an effigy of Obama and setting fire to US, NATO flags

* Kayani attends troops’ funeral prayer in Peshawar

PESHAWAR: Pakistan on Sunday buried 24 troops killed in a NATO cross-border air attack that has pushed a crisis in relations between the United States...
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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Wed Oct 12th 2011, 06:47 PM
TEL AVIV, Israel, Sept. 28 (UPI) -- The disclosure that U.S. President Barack Obama approved the sale of 5,000-pound bunker-buster bombs to Israel, which wants them for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear installations, has sent ripples of alarm across the Middle East, including Israel itself.

Fears that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, a right-wing hawk who has vowed to eliminate what hard-liners view as an existential Iranian threat to the Jewish state, could order a pre-emptive strike, have been emblazoned in headlines run by the liberal daily Haaretz in recent days.

"Netanyahu's messianism could launch attack on Iran," said one.

"Netanyahu must be stopped from attacking Iran," declared another.

Fifty-five U.S.-made bunker-busters, designated GBU-28 Hard Target Penetrators, were secretly delivered to Israel in 2009

more at: /

The USA or Israel would be insane attack Iran so probably won't happen.

The WH and Congress should STFU with the sabre-rattling IMO.
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Posted by PufPuf23 in The DU Lounge
Sun Oct 09th 2011, 10:40 PM
Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth, (1967, Bandstand, el Hollywood Palace, Smothers Brothers).

Buffalo Springfield was a rock group that served as a springboard for the careers of Neil Young, Stephen Stills, Richie Furay and Jim Messina, two of whom played in rock, pop, folk, country and acoustic group Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young later in their career
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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Mon Sep 26th 2011, 03:40 PM
"The protest was set into motion, however, by a group of four AWOL soldiers who turned themselves in the next day at the end of a large anti-war march in San Francisco, where the Presidio is located.<3>"

I was a HS sophomore at a boarding school near SF. My roommate's Mom drove from Washoe Valley, NV to take us to the demonstration. Some old Nevadans probably knew her, Maya Miller. She took us to another Presidio rally at the Marina Green and Arlo Guthrie sang Alice's Restaurant. Both her and Eric have passed on. I last saw them in 1993 at the ranch in NV just before I moved to Oregon for 5 years.

I went to a number of anti-war rallies in SF or Berkeley and campaign events for Eugene McCarthy, George Wallace (more mockers than supporters at the Cow Palace), and Humphrey on HS field trips.

Once we went on a school field trip to the UC Berkeley Art Museum, and had to park the bus and walk some blocks because of a demonstration on Telegraph and Sproul Plaza. We got tear gassed on the way to the museum.

Another HS trip was to a March(?) 1969 anti-war rally. That Monday's cover of the SF Chronicle had a tall youth in a surplus army jacket beating a SF Tact Squadder with his own baton. Oops Morgan. He was found out but I am not sure what if any price he paid. He remained in school.

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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Sun Sep 18th 2011, 04:05 PM
One of the things that I like about DU is that there are many people who respect Frank Zappa.

11 years after his death, the music of Frank Zappa returned to Prague on Tuesday night courtesy of the Grand Mothers, a band composed of 3 former members of his band The Mothers of Invention. Zappa's influence in the Czech Republic is legendary and his popularity persists to this day. Today we take a look at how this iconoclastic Baltimore native became what Vaclav Havel called "one of the Gods of the Czech underground."

Though officially banned before the Velvet Revolution, Frank Zappa's albums circulated widely on bootleg recordings. His irreverent humor and improvisational style influenced a generation of Czech rockers including the legendary dissident band Plastic People of the Universe who took their name from one of his songs. Napoleon Murphy Brock, who played tenor sax and sang backup for Zappa from 1974 to 1984 describes what he thinks the music's appeal was on both sides of the iron curtain.

"His music is not suppressive. So he is not afraid to go into any area or any subject area while composing his music. He talks about everything and anything. He is not, you know, suppressed."

"Zappa had some similarities with the Czech scene and that was that he was fighting something and making fun of the U.S. regime or the banalities and stereotypes of the American culture of the 50s and 60s. He had harder work than Czech bands because it was easier to find something to fight here in Czechoslovakia at that time."

Zappa returned to Czechoslovakia in 1990 at the invitation of Havel, newly elected President and lifelong Zappaphile, who even went so far as to propose that Zappa be made Special Ambassador to the West on Trade, Culture and Tourism. Zappa, a libertarian politically, welcomed the challenge and immediately began setting up meetings with corporations interested in investing in Czechoslovakia telling The Nation magazine "You don't have to know about international financing. You just have to know about composition." Havel was quickly talked out of the appointment by Bush administration officials who were not too thrilled about the idea of an American citizen (especially not the one who wrote Burnt Weeny Sandwich) serving as a Czech ambassador, but he made Zappa an unofficial cultural attaché all the same.



By: Jack Anderson

When a Texan like Secretary of State James Baker defends the honor of his wife, it doesn't matter how long he has to wait or how far he has to go to do it.

In the case we have uncovered, Baker diplomatically used his surrogates to ace an American rock 'n' roll icon out of a job as the trade representative from Czechoslovakia because the rocker had publicly insulted Baker's wife Susan.

This tale of international intrigue was told to our associate Dale Van Atta by sources in Prague and Washington. Incredible, but true, is the fact that Czechoslovakian President Vaclav Havel did offer the job of special ambassador to the West on trade, culture and tourism to Frank Zappa. That is the Frank Zappa--the man who has produced more than 50 albums including "Freak Out," "Burnt Weeny Sandwich," "Uncle Meat," and "Weasels Ripped My Flesh," the same Frank Zappa who named his children Moon Unit, Dweezil, Ahmet, and Diva; the same Frank Zappa whose performance once featured a stuffed giraffe that squirted whipped cream on the audience.

He is many things, but diplomat is not among them, thanks to Baker. Havel, a playwright known for absurd satire, met Zappa in Prague in January 1990, and the two men hit it off immediately. Havel had long been a fan of Zappa's music genius and even credited his music as part of the inspiration for the anti-communist revolution. A Czech group, "The Plastic People of the Universe," named after one of Zappa's songs, copied his style and became an underground sensation in Czechoslovakia. Their revolutionary lyrics so irritated the communist government that the group was thrown behind bars for disturbing the peace.

That mobilized Havel and other artists to form a dissident group that led the opposition and, after communism was toppled, formed the nucleus of the current Czech government.

So Havel had plenty to thank Zappa for. He was so grateful, in fact, that he impetuously created the special ambassadorship for Zappa. The musician left town with Havel's praise in his ears and the adulation of hundreds of fans who treated him as a Czech national hero. He was even talking about applying for citizenship.

Two weeks later, Baker came to town carrying an old grudge. It dated from 1985, when Susan Baker and other well-connected Washington wives, including Tipper Gore, wife of Sen. Albert Gore, D-Tenn., formed Parents Music Resource Center. The group's objective was a music ratings system similar to the movie ratings, based on sex, obscenity and violence.

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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Sun Sep 18th 2011, 01:38 PM
Adding insult to injury, Paul Elliot, Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager for her presidential bid, is now a lobbyist for the Keystone XL pipeline. And, according to emails released by WikiLeaks, the State Department’s former energy envoy, David Goldwyn, “alleviated” the concerns of Canadians about getting approval for the pipeline and went further by coaching them to improve their “oil sands messaging” by “increasing visibility and accessibility of more positive news stories” on the issue. In a disgusting demonstration of the inbred corruption that plagues D.C.–and which Obama pledged to stop—Goldwyn left the State Department and went to work for a Washington lobbying firm, recently testifying in favor of the pipeline before a Congressional committee.
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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Tue Aug 23rd 2011, 06:04 PM
My childhood and family friends were killed in Vietnam but more have been suicided or lead post-Vietnam lives of self-destruction by drugs, auto accidents, or crimes). I estimate that well over 50% are already dead (and I am just short of 59).

I was slightly younger and was well over 300 in the 2nd draft lottery (1971).

Most of my time 66-70 was in or near San Francisco (with my parents 400 plus miles away) in boarding school.Because of my heart/mind and those met, I was politicized then and strongly anti-war since.

My choices age 18 were to register at my rural home or in Contra Costa county, CA. The Draft was not fair. Registrations in Contra Costa -- one of the better counties in the USA for non-religious COs -- had maybe a 15% draft rate while while about 75% at home -- I would have registered in Hoopa, CA -- , if fit, were drafted, volunteered for economic reasons, or forced into the military by minor law enforcement problems (bar fighting, pot, and the like -- county jail or join the Army).

What we have now is an economic Draft and Draft as a means to citizenship. For profit mercenaries are another issue. IMHO a real Draft into public services or military for all Americans is wise for many reasons.

Plus the USA MIC is way too huge and a long term risk more than protection. Military is the absolute worse and inefficient use of natural resources and human lives; is hell on the environment; and is theft, corruption, and social/cultural destruction.
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Posted by PufPuf23 in General Discussion
Mon Aug 15th 2011, 05:49 PM
I cannot conceive of a benign scenario for POTUS Obama's Executive policy, Fed action, and inconsistent rhetoric on medical or other marijuana.
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