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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Fri Aug 21st 2009, 12:57 AM
Or, should I ask, how many remember the USS Vincennes?

Without googling or looking it up-

I confess i only 'vaguely' rememberd the incident in question-

I'm interested in how many of us remember or even knew about flight 655.

To those who have no idea here is a link to one account.
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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Aug 20th 2009, 09:45 PM
they were instrumental in bringing about positive change in the governments they struggled against.

You can't deter people who are committed to a cause with threats of punishment. I don't endorse terrorism in any way shape or form, but thinking you can stop it by punishing anyone left behind- is foolishness.

The guy is dying. The people who welcome him home believe him to be innocent. There are those who lost family in the incident who also doubt his involvment. No one can go back to before the explosion and alter any of the results. Scotland DID have the choice to alter the fact that this man was destined to die alone in a foreign country apart from his family (who are victims regardless of his guilt or innocence). They chose the path of mercy. If only more people would make that choice. And the only way we really lead is by example. Force, or the threat of punishment, hasn't worked very well to stop this madness seems to haunt humanity.

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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Aug 20th 2009, 08:04 PM
any possibility of error.

It's a HELL of a lot easier to respond to pain and loss with anger and vengeance- to demand that someone "pay" for the suffering that results from something like this, it takes compassion, forgiveness and mercy to NOT want to "stick it to them" and then some in response.

Was Gandhi a right wing psychopath? MLK jr? if so, then let me be one too.

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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Aug 20th 2009, 12:49 PM
can rationalize my statement about unrealistic expectations from health professionals as much as you like-
As to whether I can "fairly" discuss this topic, who the fuck are you to judge?

why waste your time replying with such arrogant sarcasm ? does it make you feel better now?

My Grandfather was a good man, who left this world a little better than it was when he came into it.
He didn't seek to profit as a result of others suffering.
Not everyone can have that said about them.

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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Aug 20th 2009, 10:56 AM
i believe the system IS at fault.

And outrageous monetary awards for life's catastrophes is part of the reason we are in the mess we're in. imo.

The fact that the system tosses out some suits is evidence that abuse is going on. The backlog of court cases and the fact that simply threatening to sue can intimidate people (or insurance co's - particularly the smaller less corporate ones) into paying money that has no business being paid is also evidence that reform is needed. imo.

but we're both entitled to our perspectives eh?

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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Tue Aug 18th 2009, 07:16 PM
completely digested it, but the things that jumped out at me after the first reading were
(please bear with my attempt to voice this)....

Without a 'society' there is no money- or need for money. You want to eat? you supply your own food. You can't go to a store and purchase the 'fruit of someone elses labor' because you don't have or recognize you connection (or responsibility) to anyone other than yourself, and perhaps your own intimate circle.

Your "money" is worthless without someone to exchange labor/energy/promises of such with.

Many people have money that they have NOT worked for- inherited wealth, those who win, steal, or manipulate others-

The concept of 'work' in exchange for expended effort starts to fall apart with the advent of gambling, "Hollywood millionaires" CEO's, politicians, and any number of other "professions" which are the result of wealth without (or with outrageous compensation for) "work".

The benefits of community cannot be denied (even if it seems like we'd all be better off 'on our own') because no one exists for very long by themself.

And, life isn't "fair"- (which would apply to my complaint about wealth without work) - some people will contribute more tangibly to society than others, but everyone has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness- don't they?

thanks for the reply-
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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sun Aug 09th 2009, 05:49 PM
thanks for posting.

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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Aug 06th 2009, 10:13 AM
illness'. The more they deny those who have entrusted their money to the "company" the richer they get. They are filthy rich- what does this tell you?

Something that is NOT true with athletes, artists, actors etc. I can choose not to buy a pair of Nike's if I don't want to support an athlete- there are many, MANY other brands to choose from, and even if I chose to never buy a pair of sneakers, I'd still not be potentially putting my life/health in the balance. People can't choose not to line the pockets of the CEO's of their insurance company.

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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Aug 06th 2009, 10:00 AM
"..Medicare works because everybody in a given group is in the program. Everyone over 65 has Medicare--it doesn't matter whether you're rich or poor, work or don't work. It's a total service to a given population."-

this is a LIE- you are ONLY eligible for "MEDICARE" IF you have paid into it for a given # of 'quarters'.

"Also, it's worth noting that when Medicare was enacted in 1965, it very quickly added all disabled people--a smaller group, but a very costly group. You'll notice what the private sector gave over to the government--people over 65 and disabled people. Common sense will tell you that these are the costliest groups medically in this society."

NO "disabled person" who hasn't paid into the system for the required # of quarters, or who isn't the disabled child of a person who has or is paying into the system is covered by "MEDICARE". NONE. They may be eligible for "Medicaid"- but only if they fall withing financial guidelines, and not without far-reaching 'strings' being attached.

this may seem like 'nit-picking'- but when someone who supposedly works with this system mis-characterizes or lies like this, it makes everything they say far less convincing. Even the more accurate statements he's making lose their credibility- IMO.

I'm living with the reality of the facts he mis-states. No medical insurance at all, pre-existing condition, not enough Medicare quarters, and dependent child still at home (the only way I can be eligible for Medicaid is to have a lien placed on my home for repayment of any monies spent on my medical care, payable on my death- nice burden for my kids, who have only me).

This kind of mis-information really frustrates the hell out of me. sorry for the rant.
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Posted by Bluerthanblue in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu May 14th 2009, 03:19 PM
much meaning I get out of your posts H20 Man, but I am.

This one has particular signifigance to me at this point in my life journey.

I just want to thank you so much for this~

thank you..

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you are one of those who understands the big picture.
It's hard not to lose heart in times like these. But don't give up. If you do, then 'they' (or the thinking you are fighting against) win. It is always the right time to do the right thing.

It's completely understandable to get discouraged. But don't forget that those who spit in the face of reconciliation and unity are exposing themselves for what they really are. And the way we respond, and continue to respond reveals to everyone- (especially ourselves) who we really are.

Hatred cannot drive out hatred. Change, real positive change a.k.a. progress and growth- is often messy, painful and takes alot out of us. But it's worth it.

Hang in there Peacetrain- we're headed in the right direction, no matter how it may appear.

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a way to live together in this country without hating each other and judging each other as "repukes" or "_______" then WE individually, are screwed.

Where is the "more perfect union" that we seek? Where is the nation where EVERYONE- regardless of any defining characteristic, really has an EQUAL right to exist and seek the promises that this democracy claims to hold so dear?

I'm as committed to the democratic platform ideals as anyone could ever be- but I find the hatred and predjuce against other people who live in this country who are seen as "repukes" every bit as ugly as the hatred that people within the republican party display for us. No, I find it MORE disturbing- because I would expect those who claim to endorse the acceptance of social equality the Democratic party champions- to walk our talk, even when it isn't 'comfortable'.

There is more of a connection to Lincoln in this administration than most people realize imo. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We're on a threshold here- with an excellent leader.

(sorry for the rant)
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Can they (who try and claim the market on patriotism)
explain how a decorated Veteran-
A man who actually saved the life of a fellow soldier-under fire-
Was rewarded by their 'grand old party'
with slander, betrayal, and seeing his service mocked by people sporting "purple band-aids"?

I came to know Lt. John Kerry during the spring of 1969. He and his swift boat crew assisted in inserting our Special Forces team and our Chinese Nung soldiers into operational sites in the Cau Mau Peninsula of South Vietnam. I worked with him on many operations and saw firsthand his leadership, courage and decision-making ability under fire.

On March 13, 1969, John Kerry's courage and leadership saved my life.

While returning from a SEA LORDS operation along the Bay Hap River, a mine detonated under another swift boat. Machine-gun fire erupted from both banks of the river, and a second explosion followed moments later. The second blast blew me off John's swift boat, PCF-94, throwing me into the river. Fearing that the other boats would run me over, I swam to the bottom of the river and stayed there as long as I could hold my breath.

When I surfaced, all the swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire from both banks. To avoid the incoming fire, I repeatedly swam under water as long as I could hold my breath, attempting to make it to the north bank of the river. I thought I would die right there. The odds were against me avoiding the incoming fire and, even if I made it out of the river, I thought I'd be captured and executed. Kerry must have seen me in the water and directed his driver, Del Sandusky, to turn the boat around. Kerry's boat ran up to me in the water, bow on, and I was able to climb up a cargo net to the lip of the deck. But, because I was nearly upside down, I couldn't make it over the edge of the deck. This left me hanging out in the open, a perfect target. John, already wounded by the explosion that threw me off his boat, came out onto the bow, exposing himself to the fire directed at us from the jungle, and pulled me aboard. more at-

Obama has NEVER treated John McCain in this manner-

Wesley Clark's comments did NOT malign McCain's military experience or cast doubts about his suffering or his patriotism.

Any of THAT came from the same source as the incidents I referenced-

And NOW, we see Mr.McCain aligning himself with one of the 'brains' behind the trashing of one of our distinguished Vets-

"Bud Day" has no problem speaking out minimizing the service of Vets who don't share his political leanings-

General Clark spent a month in Vietnam, got badly wounded and was evacuated, that was his experience.

Where is your disgust for Mr.Day's comments be-littling GenWes.Clark's service Mr. McCain????

Where is your outrage and solidarity NOW?

We need to focus our anger and disappointment on the right people. We need to hold THEM accountable for their rhetoric.

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"I have spent my entire adult life trying to bridge the gap between different kinds of people. Thatís in my DNA. Trying to promote mutual understanding, to insist that we all share common hopes, and common dreams, as Americans and as human beings. Thatís who I am, thatís what I believe, thatís what this campaign has been about." These were the first words Obama spoke at yesterdays news conference.

He is a particularly unique individual- the son of a white American mother and a black Kenyan father. Born into a 'nuclear family' he then lived with his single mom, went on to aquire a step father and half-sister and then settled down to live with his maternal grandparents. He attended foreign schools, American public schools, a small elite private school, and an Ivy League college.

I believe there are many people who could come from such diverse beginnings, carrying a lot of anger and resentment. But Obama has chosen to focus on the positive. I admire that. I want a leader that encourages us to seek out the things in each other and in our fellow human beings (not JUST 'us'- but ALL people) that connect us- bind us together, rather than to focus on what divides us. It's easy to see what we don't have in common, it takes effort and sometimes a lot of patience to discover what can give us some mutual ground on which to stand.

To many in the 'white' community- Barack will never really "fit in" because he is only "half white"- and there are those in the 'black' community who share this prejudice. Add his fathers "African" not "African American" heritage - and you have another 'culture' which has been quoted to claim that he doesn't fit into either. Then there is the private school he attended on scholarship, which separated him from those classmates from more affluent families.

Even still, what some see as a negative, Barack has come to recognize as an asset that few people get a chance to experience. He DOES embody something new, different and important. He DOES represent 'change'- and HOPE, for many people who reject being marginalized. Who reject the concept of black/white them/us- as the downward spiral we have been stuck in for too long.

Rev. Wrights comments and perspective are not 'wrong'. His thoughts and opinions may not be popular or comfortable, but they are not wrong.

I confess, at first I was disappointed to hear that Barack was distancing himself from Pastor Wright. But when I actually read and digested both the NPC transcript, and Obama's statement yesterday- it was quite plain that Obama did the correct thing, at the correct time, in a respectful way.

Please take the time and effort to listen or read the remarks by Obama and Rev. Wright in their ENTIRETY- they are available here--- /

and here---- /

Obama does NOT want to focus on what DIVIDES us as a nation.. as a people. Rev. Wright feels he must focus on the division.

Those who fault Obama for not separating himself from Wright sooner may want to ask themselves how any divide will ever be "bridged" by cutting ourselves off from those who see things differently than us. How we can "promote understanding" by refusing to listen or consider the perspectives which others hold.

You also have to also ask why the comments of one candidate's Pastor needs to dominate the news and conversations of a country that is in the kind of situation we find ourselves in today. To what end?

The media and those who have something to gain by stirring up strife- continually beating the Obama/Wright drums (complete with miss-leading 'sound bites' from both men), probably aren't going to stop anytime soon.

There is much more at stake here than a presidential nomination I believe.

We all need to pay attention. And think for ourselves, while we still can.

Thanks for reading this


(edited to put Obama's opening comment in quotations- )
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chance being "wrong" and hopeful.

I speak as one who lived in fear of "hope" for most of my life- In fear of it, and at times surviving only because of it.

Now, I find, I've come to the place where I need to decide if I want to live out the balance of my days refusing to trust that hope could grow into something positive and worthwhile- or- if I will give up my need to think I can "control" the future- the expectation of disappointment and unhappiness, and risk entertaining "hope"~"possibility"~"potential"~.

If If we allow ourselves to entertain the possibility that Obama might turn out to be a truly good leader, we risk being disappointed. If we expect him to be nothing, to screw up, and make a mess of things, then we have 'nothing' to lose.
'Nothing', except the chance to live today to it's fullest- to view tomorrow with expectation, rather than dread. To plow the ground this spring, plant our gardens, trusting that we will be there to gather the harvest this autumn, and that it may be able to nourish us through another winter, towards another spring.

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