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improper. That is one for the history file.
I have previously asserted that there is a significant cultural differences between Canada and the US, part of which is tolerance of provocative protest. Most of us look at this and shrug. There are more important things with real impact to worry about. This is not one of them.
It might work, but it does seem a little fascist doesn't it?
OWS is non-structured. No one is passing out membership cards or checking IDs as best I can tell
The first part is reasonable. A home invasion is not a rationale nor reasonable situation. The victims are often under duress at a level seldom experienced previously. While what they perceive as a lethat threat at the time could well not be one, killing the intruder scarcely qualifies as 1st degree murder.
It is the second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking by those safe in their offices and not in the middle of the scrum that has lead to the Castle Doctrine movement in the US. Wildly varying treatment of similar cases over the years is what started it, and it also suits the way most Americans view the legal system (skeptical and in need of serious limits). This is a broadly held view and while unpopular with a minority of people, it clearly dominant in the US.
I would like you to show some sort of qualified statistic that those advocating Castle Doctrine are actually advocating unwarranted killing of helpless intruders. How about some examples of it happening and Castle Doctrine laws allowing it to go unpunished? Surely you have some empirical evidence to back up your oft repeated claims about this.
However, here is something from WaPo that should help you:
The prohibition on U.S. funding of U.N. agencies that recognize a Palestinian state was included in two pieces of legislation that were signed into law by President George H.W. Bush in 1990 and President Bill Clinton in 1994.
The 1990 law prohibits the appropriation of funds “for the United Nations or any specialized agency thereof which accords the Palestine Liberation Organization the same standing as a member state.”
In 1994, Congress barred funding “any affiliated organization of the United Nations which grants full membership as a state to any organization or group that does not have the internationally recognized attributes of statehood.”
US Code is freely available online if you want original text.
It is starting to come out, but Turkey is also trying to prevent the legitimate government of Cyprus from drilling for natural gas in its own waters and trying to claim it for itself. It is doing this via classic gunboat diplomancy.
The reality is that Turkey is making a fuss over Gaza as a distraction and little more.
There is also the ongoing Turkish invasion and occupation of Cyprus to consider, not to mention their prior genocides.
Americans have little to no sense of history. 60 years is ancient history to most of us. Part of Europe are still feuding over events 500+ years ago...we think anything over 30 years ago is irrelevant. Ask a young person about the Vietnam war and see the blank looks you get.
This is both good and bad. First of all we tend to forgive past wounds and get on with things. We also tend to forget past mistakes and repeat them
Nothing has been debunked by you. All you have posted is unsupported assertions and refused to address meaningful questions. However, you are providing some mild entertainment...
Who is the most "the most consistently progressive voice in this place" Inquiring minds want to know.
Do you have and stats to show that personal firearms are creating additional problems in society?
Glad to see you are backing of the personal attack content
Antis who hate/are sacred of/want to get rid of guns but are open about why have integrity to their positions. They state why they believe what they believe, and do not claim their assumptions as bedrock facts. They get considerable respect from me and others for that. I recall a now departed anti who claimed that he could not control his anger in a couple of situations so he knew he should not own a firearm. He also projected that on to others. I respected the integrity but vehemently disagreed with the projection part. Nonetheless, he was respected, while many other antis are not.
Many men my age spent time in a uniform of some sort. I also studied martial arts for years as we moved around the world.
Concealed carry is not much of an issue in Socal. Those counties are very restrictive, not so much with Kern or other more rural counties in CA. Unloaded open carry is a license for the cops to harass your unmercifully. However, that is backing off a bit since some stings have been run. That there is even a rifle scabbard on my 4 wheeler makes city cops real nervous, as was experienced recently.
I live in wild part of the CA desert (yes it still exists). I have no cell phone service for 20+ miles, am 30 minutes from the nearest cop shop, and the neighborhood cats are cougars. I carry a firearm since a breakdown could strand me for an extended period and in that situation, two legged miscreants are not the biggest concern. I also carry water and other emergency supplies. One saddlebag is dedicated to tools and supplies, and a mix of extra rounds. It is not just about guns. Not sure what I would do if I lived in say, Pasadena, but it would certainly change what I carry on the bike. They are all tools for me, nothing more.
I teach self defense with personal firearms on the weekends, mostly to GLBTs and women, the overwhelming majority of whom are liberal or progressive and are members of the Democratic party. Sometimes it seems as much a political event as a training one. We encourage that discussion and part of the weekend sessions are just that, discussion.
The unfortunate reality is a fair number of the students are there because they have already been a victim of violence. When that happens, it tends to shatter their world view. Effective training gives them options they did not believe they had before. Not all of them go the firearms route. One lady that comes to mind believes that she could not use one in an extreme circumstances. Her call and likely a good one. She still comes to the potlucks and shoots occasionally.
Where is the insult? How it is a civilized practice supported by a civilized nation?
By what means to you determine that the the progressive fire arms laws in the US with few deaths directly attributable to it less civilized that the mass slaughter of seals? In 2008 more SEAL HUNTERS died than people killed doing condition one Open Carry in California.
Here are some examples of her "dancing around the the line of civility" in posts made in response to multiple parties in this thread:
- Try to ask coherent questions,
- One bangs one's head.
- Blah blah blah
- Why would you invent such silliness?
- say something unimaginably dumb
- not even a little learning, in this case
- God damn you're boring.
- Your words make me puke
- You've reached the point where even your vile misrepresentations of people who disagree with you have become totally incoherent.
in post #62 she proffers a definition for civil discourse, it ends with:
Insult, misrepresentation, deceit, demagoguery, dishonesty, false claims, unsubstantiated claims ... none of these are "argument".
Which in fact enumerates the primary features of her posts. For her to claim to be on the side of civil discourse is ludicrous.
The real argument is over the presumption of eminent great bodily harm based on entering an occupied dwelling. The impunity is the same with prior approaches, it is the presumption that has changed and in some places the burden of proof.
Several profs at our ABA accredited law school have found castle defense a good thing, mostly because it eliminates the Monday morning quarterbacking and the differing way the standards were applied in different jurisdictions. There are others out there as well. One legal "expert" seems about as good as any other. As I understand it, no substantive challenges are underway to castle defense, and it is in fact expanding in the US. It seems pretty settled, at least by US civilian standards.
What the jury is out on is the long term impact of changing to castle defense from the other approaches. I am not expecting a radical change. It addresses a small and declining number of crimes and is generally a positive thing.
Truly settled laws go back to Sir Issac Newton or cover things like entropy.
The Burke quote still holds
I however, rarely imbibe.
You continue to mis-characterize Castle doctrine/Castle Defense doctrine. There is justification...the presence of people in the property being broken into. It does not legalize set guns or other booby traps. It allows investigation to verify the circumstances indeed meet the standards set out. The example often used is how to make sure it is not used to allow someone to shoot their ex, when they were invited over as a setup. It is not legalized murder by any means. It does indeed reverse some legal burdens. So far I have not seen that to be a problem.
Some legal "experts" in the US do indeed decry castle defense, others have welcomed it. The common knowledge about lawyers, get 3 in a room, you can get 5 opinions. More over, it is for the most part settled law. That some legal academics do not like it is in many ways moot.
We will have this discussion as often as you post your mis-statements, obfuscations, and snide comments. There is a Burke quote that covers the reason.
Despite more of your linguistics false frippery, it seems clear that the current German plan now includes new fossil fuel plants, something I find surprising.
I am no more a fan of fossil fuels that I am of nuclear, but then again you already knew that. False portrayal of others is one of your tells.
1) The city of Benton Harbor requested state review and intervention. It started in 2009 by the request of the City Manager.
2) The independent study which was was done under the prior Democratic Governor who approved it and appointed the current EFM under a 20 year old law. http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/83...
3) The city of Benton Harbor was in complete shambles and the state has the fiduciary duty to step in and protect the citizens.
I urge everyone to read the report of the State study, the get well plan, and other relevant documents on the City website, http://www.bentonharborcity.com
As for the mayor's statement, it is self aggrandizing nonsense. No one is claiming that the city council has run off with city money or anything close to that. However, it is clear that several city departments are not doing their jobs. 100K in bad check charges alone are a pretty clear indicator. Things may have been better during his prior tenure, but for him to claim things will be fine now just because he is back in office is more that silly.
I seriously do not like government by decree. It goes against everything this nation stands for. However, the people of Benton Harbor needed to be protected and the state has an obligation to do just that. May it recover quickly and return to representative government...
As the article you cited pointed out:
- The city was in total financial shambles
- The EFM was appointed by a Democratic governor
Additional points not mentioned:
- The EFM process was started at the request of the Benton Harbor city manager
- There was an extensive study done prior to the appointment
- There is a published get well plan
The media has a responsibility to fact check. Rachel (and her staff) clearly did not do that adequately in this case and few others. Happens to the best of them, and I still consider her a highly credible despite the occasional misstep.
Nothing in the published docs indicates that the Benton Harbor EFM is seriously considering selling off the lakefront public park land. However, there is enough buzz about it, that I have to wonder if there is at least some validity to that. However, no hard evidence has surfaced, but given the hyperbole, it would be hard to tell.
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Any fellow Texans still here?
Getting kinda lonely in these here parts.....
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