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Posted by greyl in Artists Group
Sun Aug 21st 2011, 03:42 AM

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Posted by greyl in Skepticism, Science and Pseudoscience Group
Thu May 05th 2011, 03:35 AM
Ask yourself: why aren't you claiming that mammals, bipeds, primates, or apes are destroying the planet?
It's because humanity is more specific, therefore more useful, correct?

Well, one can get even more specific and useful, if one recognizes that destroying the planet is not some physiological imperative of homo sapiens sapiens. Destroying the planet is more accurately seen as a cultural imperative.
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Posted by greyl in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Mon Jul 09th 2007, 04:40 PM
Can you consider that some of the responses here might be from people who believe that Earth and its community of life should be regarded with reverence and not demeaned by platitudes born of wishful thinking?

The indigenous human cultures that provide diverse examples of how humans can live with sustainability on this planet didn't come to be that way because they prayed hard enough to the right God/s or because they had meaningful dialogs with other animals and plants. They came to be that way because they simply kept on doing what worked for them for hundreds of generations over the 3 million year course of human evolution, and they didn't adopt the idea that the Earth was made for humans to conquer and rule.

An intimate communion with a turtle will never provide the change of vision required for our culture to alter its course away from forcing 200 species a day into extinction. We need to look at what does and what does not work in the world with an analytical mindset free of our cultural biases. There is no secret hidden from our view that needs to be revealed by animal spirits, angels, or aliens. The answers are to be found out in the open, plainly, using science. Science is your friend and has nothing contrary to say about properly respecting our biosphere and its inhabitants. Magical thinking, anthropomorphic arrogance, and lack of foresight are what has largely brought the Earth bleeding to our feet.

Evidence based worldviews are a path of hope to the future, while lucid dreams and daytime fantasies only provide fleeting escape from the harsh reality that we are all captives of a civilization that compels us to continue destroying the world.
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Posted by greyl in Artists Group
Sat Jan 27th 2007, 04:22 AM
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Posted by greyl in General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007)
Mon Jan 08th 2007, 12:20 AM
Believe that this life isn't your only life, that your next lives will be incrementally better.
Believe that this Earth isn't the real world, that the afterlife is your primary concern.
Believe that aliens, angels, channeled entities, or divine prophets are the best source of knowledge for how to live.
Believe that our particular civilization is the highest expression of either evolution or Divine Creation ever.

Or don't.


Beyond Civilization by Daniel Quinn - a synopsis:

One of our most fundamental cultural beliefs is this, that Civilization must continue at any cost and not be abandoned under any circumstance. This notion seems intrinsic to the human mind --self-evident, like The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Implicit in this belief about civilization is another: Civilization is humanity's ULTIMATE invention and can never be surpassed. Both these beliefs exemplify the cultural fallacy, which is the notion that one's beliefs are not merely expressions of one's culture but are intrinsic to the human mind itself. The effect of this fallacy is that it's almost impossible for the people of our culture to entertain the idea that there could be any invention beyond civilization. Civilization is the end, the very last and unsurpassable human social development.

No one is surprised to learn that bees are organized in a way that works for them or that wolves are organized in a way that works for them. Most people understand in a general way that the social organization of any given species evolved in the same way as other features of the species. Unworkable organizations were eliminated in exactly the same way that unworkable physical traits were eliminated--by the process known as natural selection. But there is an odd and unexamined prejudice against the idea that the very same process shaped the social organization of Homo over the three million years of his evolution. The people of our culture don't want to acknowledge that the tribe is for humans exactly what the pod is for whales or the troop is for baboons: the gift of millions of years of natural selection, not perfect--but damned hard to improve upon.

Civilization, in effect, represents an attempt to improve upon tribalism by replacing it with hierarchalism. Every civilization brought forth in the course of human history has been an intrinsically hierarchical affair--in every age and locale, East and West, as well as every civilization that grew up independently of ours in the New World. Because it's intrinsically hierarchical, civilization benefits members at the top very richly but benefits the masses at the bottom very poorly--and this has been so from the beginning. Tribalism, by contrast, is non hierarchical and benefits all members with notable equality.

It's out of the question for us to "go back" to the tribalism we grew up with. There's no imaginable way to reestablish the ethnic boundaries that made that life work. But there's nothing sacrosanct about ethnic tribalism. more



An R/T thread on the topic.

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Posted by greyl in Religion/Theology
Fri Nov 17th 2006, 10:34 AM
They all assume humans are divinely flawed using one turn of phrase or another. It's very difficult to see this from inside our culture because it's so pervasive. Salvationist religions only exist within our culture, because they are the product of only our culture.
Everyone in our global culture, East or West, understands what it means when someone tells them "Let me show you how to be saved". Attempt to explain that and the other assumptions of any of the 5 major salvationist religions to the woman in the photo below, and she will probably look at you as if you were quite peculiar - with damn good reason. She isn't leading an unfilling life within the prison of a failing cultural experiment which whispers in her ear from the moment of birth that she is divinely flawed or doomed to endless suffering unless.



Humanity doesn't need some divine salvation from its physiological/biological lot in life.
If anything, it and the rest of the community of life need to be saved from our very young culture.

Faith won't fix our culture, nor will it save the world, because it is the absolutely false tenets of faith which are the problem. Not humanity.
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Posted by greyl in Musicians Group
Thu Jan 19th 2006, 06:25 AM
for the second time. It ended up under a blanket on the couch and someone sat on it and splintered the neck. It began life as a Kramer "Eddie Van Halen" strat copy (that red white and black thing) and I couldn't bear that, so my first step was painting it. Well actually my first step was to take an air-powered sander to it. Looking for less noise, I replaced the original hot pickup with an emg, which I now regret doing.
So anyway, now I have a new Fender neck and nice new volume knob but I want to spend some more time on the finish before choosing the rest of the hardware.

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Posted by greyl in Musicians Group
Wed Dec 28th 2005, 04:57 PM
http://www.cosmicseed.net/assets/Sounds/gr...

Psychedelic, bouncy, gothic, tense, explosive, cascading, imo.
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Posted by greyl in Artists Group
Fri Dec 09th 2005, 03:23 AM
This thing started out at a different rotation (the left side was the top).
Mixed media.





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