http://www.democraticunderground.com http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Wed, 22 May 2013 01:28:51 Wed, 22 May 2013 01:28:51 1. Agree entirely.

2. The letters firmly attributed to Paul are among the earliest Christian writings to have been preserved in their entirety, dating within 15-25 years of Jesus' crucifixion.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Christianity

[div class="excerpt"]# 65? Q document,... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/58 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:41:01 From http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-48.htm#P4434_919493

Chapter LXIII.-It is Proved that This God Was Incarnate.

[div class="excerpt"]And Trypho said, "This point has been proved to me forcibly, and by many arguments, my friend. It remains, then, to prove that He submitted to... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/57 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:44:56 [div class="excerpt"]Christ is a title and derived from the Greek word christos, meaning the "Anointed One" (the messiah). The word christos is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiach to Greek. [/div]

Ah, but the important part of the word Meshiach (in those days - which is lost on modern Jews ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/56 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:17:49 Brother, I bow down to you. Your flagrant disregard for one man's amazing construct simply because the content of it argues clearly and beautifully against your preferred position, is quite impressive. You dont care that the facts are proven, but that the author may have an unacceptable attitude!

... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/55 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:41:05 Spend a while reading from this website and you'll see where I'm coming from

http://jbrooks2.tripod.com/ra1fic0a.htm

[div class="excerpt"]THE INDICTMENT

I charge, and purpose to prove, from unimpeachable texts and historical records, and by authoritative clerical confessions, beyond the po... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/54 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:24:15 And although "Christians" are spoken of in the Talmud, Jesus in definitely NOT.

And Jews do not accept he existed. I can't speak for Muslims.


You should find this site quite eye-opening:

http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html

TRYPHO

... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/53 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:31:16 To the person that startyed this - KEEP RELIGION OUT OF THE BODY POLITIC. It is not good for anybody to mix it. It is personal to people and you are inviting comments that do not belong here.
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Joe, either here (for the benefit of other newbies) or as a Personal Message (which I've never used so ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/52 Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:48:27 Ok, I've been reading a lot here from people who either have a friend they want to convert, of beliefs that are so fixed that there's no room for maneouvre, or people that are so open to anything that they try everything, and end up with nothing. (plus many other options, yada yada yada, kiss the at... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/51 Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:40:59 People and other instituations can do what they like - should do what they like - but the Government of the United States was founded to be non-demoninational and non-god orientated. Take a deeper look at the link in the original post I made, or watch the "So help me God" video clip (centre link) he... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/50 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:52:43 My eldest is right next to me and I'm going to ask her if she would rather have Xmas or Chanukkah...

"Chanukah" she says, "coz it lasts longer"

I ask if she misses a Xmas tree and she says

"I've never had one so I don't know how to miss it, but I like the lights when I drive past".

When ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/49 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:40:32 Without wishing to offend any delightful DUers of a Christian persuasion who have faith that the New Testament is based on the words, sayings and actions of a Jewish Leader of repute in the year dot, I take no account or reference from it.
As a Jew (and I can speak on this subject on behalf of my ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/48 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:26:26 I'm fed up with people calling the New Testament "The Bible". To me that title should be restricted to the Old Testament, and the NT can be referred to as The Gospels and other stories, or the Early Christian Texts or something, anything in fact, except "The Bible".

TRYPHO
... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/47 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:40:59 Can I chuck this one in to the pot:

A religion vs B religion are methods of THINKING about "the divine whateverness", and often comes with lots of important "words" and "actions", absolutely none of which are particularly mystical, magical or meaningful in reality. What is important is the THINKI... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/46 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:10:17 But when I joined DU I certainly wasn't expecting a discussion board like I found. I was looking for a place to discuss ancient history, early christianity and similar period Judaism. Google got it wrong, to my luck.
Therefore I had no expectation of participating in, and having to consider and re... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/45 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:48:10 You said a whole load of tosh about the problem in TRANSLATING the old testament word/s for God in to ENGLISH, but JEWS don't TRANSLATE IT - we understand it IN HEBREW?

When you read the word "ALLAH" in Arabic does your brain say "God" or "Goddess" or "Lord" or "Almighty", it must be a real probl... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/44 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:33:52 LittleClarkie wrote:
Rather like arguing that hobbits don't exist when someone asks how the hobbits got their swords.
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They were forged in the dwarf mines :banghead:


TRYPHO :-)
:rofl:

(Elven swords are a completely different thing entirely of course)
... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/43 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:05:55 greyl writes:
This imprecise language allows different translators, based on their preconceived notions, to translate the word to fit their own views. The Arabic word "Allah" presents no such difficulty or ambiguity, since it is only used for Almighty God alone. Additionally, in English, the only d... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/42 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:10:04 I am simply going to tell you they are the D, J, E and P sources - with J standing for the Jahweh name of God. The others are Elohim, Priestly and Deuteronomy - which is quite dinstinct and represents the reformist views of King Josiah in the late 7th century BC.

Start another thread if you want ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/41 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:52:29 Look up the history of the Maccabees (Hasmonean family). They were not only Jews with swords they were laterly the leaders of the Sanhedrin too - and cost about 1,000,000 lives in the various 1st century uprisings. I honestly think if it wasn't for them you'd all be Jews.

Were Jews revolutionary ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/40 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:39:22

but one poster is correct (if you discount the dead sea scrolls), they weren't put to parchment (or papyrus maybe the more correct term) until 100-150 years after Jesus life.

--> Rubbish, nonsense, bollocks. Fairly well established in the genuine academic area as between C.E. 80 and 120 - ... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/39 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:22:43 and you'd be spot on.

(Freemason are required to have faith in a higher order, and deism is a great way to pick a system which wouldn't offend but would still allow membership of the masonic order).

TRYPHO

... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/38 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:05:39 According to Christian rules, the only way to God is through Jesus Christ, EVERYONE else is hell bound.

Thank the early Christians for making the afterlife so painful for everyone else.

TRYPHO
... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/37 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:59:22 I have dozens of books on the go at any one time (depends where I leave them generally) and so when I went to the errrr seated facility earlier I happened to start a new one entitled "The complete Dea Sea Scrolls in English" - my reading tastes consider that to be nearer the more exciting end of the... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/36 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:23:50 I've read some really interesting books that cover what you are saying. They talk about the relationship between cultures around the world separated by 1000's of miles all doing the same thing at the same time, and calling their Gods by similar sounding names. They all make massive time-pieces, sun-... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/35 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:15:49 The date of Passover being set at the 15th Nissan was fixed, but still needed precise clarification because although the astronomers could tell when the new moon should start a new month the Sanhedrin and the Babylonian Yeshivot plus the European diaspora required actual hard physical proof each mon... http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TRYPHO/34 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:52:43