Go to 425, all I read is a normal consultation about end of life issues, like living wills, health care proxys, powers of attorney, but all in the general sense, no government taking those powers from you like the email says.
Oberstar - 8 - Yay (D)
Peterson - 7 - Nay (D)
Bachmann - 6 - Nay (R)
Ellison - 5 - Yay (D)
McCollum - 4 - Yay (D)
Ramstad - 3 - Nay (R)
Kline - 2 - Yay (R)
Walz - 1 - Nay (D)
3-2 for DFL
1-2 for GOP
Not what you would first think.
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Sat Aug 23rd 2008, 10:28 AM
The Catholic right is already getting fired up over this pick. What we are going to have are the same recycled talking points they used against Kerry in 2004 (e.g. sin to vote for him because he is "pro-abortion", "pro-gay marriage", etc... ).
I am not saying it will be enough for McCain to win, but there will be quite a bit of mudslinging because the Bishops and Archbishops have been whipping this sub-group into a frenzy the past few months. It has nowhere to go because there was not Catholic candidate. That changed and an attack on Biden in their eyes is as good as a direct attack on Obama.
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The coolness of the institutional Church continues to shun homosexuals left and right. A neo-traditional movement will be shown, yet with JPII, each WYD is not as effective.
But the emphasis on inclusivity only goes so far. It doesn't include young gay Catholics. The Jesuits have been ordered to withdraw their plan to host a forum with the gay Catholic group Acceptance and PFlag, the organisation for parents and friends of young gays and lesbians.
One of the presenters of that forum was to have been Father Donald Godfrey, SJ, who runs a youth ministry at the University of San Francisco. I asked him why the church would cancel such an event.
Donald Godfrey: It's either a mistake that they misunderstand what this was about, because many dioceses, at least in the United States where I live, sponsor just such a conversation. Los Angeles diocese for example has designated certain parishes for gay and lesbian Catholics, explicitly to provide a safe space for Catholics who are gay, to have a conversation, to feel part and included in the church's ministry. As the Catholic bishops of the United States have said again and again, gay and lesbian Catholics must be included and it has to mean an explicit outreach, such as this one, that MAGiS is willing to sponsor. I hope it was a mistake because if it wasn't a mistake, it's just homophobic, and that would be unfortunate if the organisers of World Youth Day are homophobic, that's a great pity.
Judy Brown: A couple of weeks go the Australian Bishops Conference had sent out a pastoral letter to all the parishes, and in our particular parish, I happened to be chatting to our parish priest because he had advertised the Sexuality Forum that we had planned, and I had to go and tell him that unfortunately it had been cancelled.
Meanwhile last Friday a number of schools and parishes who had been preparing to host overseas pilgrims, were told their facilities and their hospitality will no longer be needed. Plans to accommodate pilgrims in many public schools have apparently also been dropped. As one source in the Catholic system told The Religion Report this week: "the amount of wasted infrastructure is overwhelming, there is no getting that money back".
Stephen Crittenden: A few months before Pope John Paul II died, I interviewed Hans Küng, the great Liberal Catholic theologian who said something in the interview that has stayed with me. That what John Paul II was on about was a church of the façade, that he failed to address any of the deep problems confronting the church but he spent all his time and energy creating the illusion of reinvigoration and success. In other words, the Catholic church under John Paul II fits squarely into the bread and circuses scenario that we all know we've been living through in politics. Is that what World Youth Day began as part of?
Paul Collins: Who comes and why, and what happens after. Richard had done quite a bit of work with the ones from Australia who went to Cologne, and he makes a number of interesting observations. One of the observations is that certainly if they travel from overseas, they're already committed, and what it does is, it brings them from a committed Catholicism into a much more involved Catholicism. They actually begin to work within the context of the church. But his guess is, and I hope I'm quoting him correctly here, but certainly I've heard this from other people as well, that their observation is that young people love being together, they love hearing the Pope articulate ideals, love hearing the Pope say the ideal of premarital chastity. They love the idea of a commitment to social justice, a commitment to the environment, all of those things that are now kind of popular causes for Popes to talk about. But young people love to hear the ideals. But that doesn't mean - and this is where the disconnect is - that doesn't mean that they're going to do anything necessarily about that in their own lives. That doesn't mean that they're not going to be engaged in intimate activity with their girlfriend or their boyfriend. They think it's a good thing to hear it, but then they're just like older people.
I listened to their podcast this weekend.
It talked about how there were only a couple of really bad days, but also the losses in the fall of 1929 were recouped in the market by the following spring. Also the number of bank failures was much higher due there being so many independent banks, not the consolidated ones we have now. They also talked about the after-effects were made worse from higher interest rates and not much liquidity in the market, which Bernake has actually done the opposite of recently.
Robert Sylla: I think it probably did. Americans invested a lot in war bonds during World War I, then after the war, this got many Americans used to investing in financial securities, and after the war, the government paid off some of the debt, which put money in people's pockets, and then Wall Street rallied to the occasion by inviting Americans to invest more in stocks and private bonds and so a great many people began to play the stock market in the 1920s, people who hadn't done it before World War I. The stock market was kind of the playground of the rich. In the 1920s, Wall Street became the playground of ordinary, middle-class Americans.
Robert Sylla: We in financial history view the crash proper as a period of about three weeks from October 24th, 1929, until about November 11th or 12th, 1929. That's when the Dow Jones Average fell from roughly 300 down to slightly under 200, so it lost 33% of its value in that three week period. The worst days were October 28th and 29th, Black Monday and Black Tuesday, stocks lost about somewhat over 20% of their value. So two-thirds of the crash proper happened on those two days at the end of October.
Robert Sylla: It is true that over the next few years the stock market went vastly lower, but what people sometimes forget is from November 11th or 12th, 1929, until sometime in April 1930, the stock market recovered most of the ground, almost all the ground it lost in the crash proper. That is, it rose from slightly under 200 all the way back up to around 300 again from November '29 to April 1930.
Harold Bierman: Well the market had crashed in December of '29, it was still down but not as far down as in September, and economic variables were not that bad. Weren't as good as the summer of '29, but weren't that bad. So you had a situation where if the Fed had allowed the banks access to more money, an ability to lend, lowered interest rates, that sort of thing, it might have avoided the Depression. Certainly Friedman and Schwartz in their classic study of 1929 identified the tightening of money by the Fed in the winter of '29 as being a major factor leading to the Depression. So I think it was a combination of the stock market crash and an ill-conceived policy on the part of the Federal Reserve that led to the real Depression, real downturn in incomes of corporations and so on. Before the 1930, the economic outputs of corporations indicated prosperity; after the winter of '29-'30 there was less optimism. Things started to look dark, and they got darker and darker from '30 to '31, '32.
They banned politics in their forum online, but on their main page, they link to their taxable spin off which is highly partisan. They do everything but name formal names.
The "5 non-negotiable issues" are still there. Notice they only lean Republican.
I saw this on KARE OnLive while flipping through channels. There is a bipartisan push to keep the bars open until 4am around the Cities (7 county metro). Also I guess Liquor stores will be allowed to be open on the two Sundays around the convention (what Wisconsin has year-round).
So, lets flood the streets with drunk Republicans 24/7 during the convention.
There is no story at KARE yet, but here is the bill at the Capital.
S.F. No. 3642, as introduced - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Mar 10, 2008
1.1A bill for an act
1.2relating to alcohol; allowing a later closing time for on-sale establishments
1.3during the 2008 Republican National Convention.
1.4BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:
1.5 Section 1. TEMPORARY LATER CLOSING TIME.
1.6During the 2008 Republican National Convention, holders of an on-sale liquor
1.7license may remain open and may serve alcohol until 4:00 a.m. each day. This provision:
1.8(1) applies to all holders of an on-sale intoxicating liquor license or 3.2 malt liquor
1.9license located within a city or township within the seven-county metropolitan area;
1.10(2) applies during the period from 12:00 p.m. on August 29, 2008, through 4:00
1.11a.m. on September 8, 2008;
1.12(3) is subject to local approval by each licensing jurisdiction in the seven-county
1.13metropolitan area. Approval under this section must be on a citywide or townshipwide
1.14basis and may not be granted exclusively to individual license holders within the licensing
1.15jurisdiction. A city or township may not charge an additional fee to license holders for
1.16approving the later closing time; and
1.17(4) is repealed as of 4:01 a.m. on September 8, 2008.
The party leaders there really want 100% conservative purity or nothing at all.
Using Google, I came across the full story that was emailed to me a few weeks ago.
I would expect it to be this way across all of the redder areas of Minnesota, the SW, W Central, and the suburbs.
I bought that in 1996 for 99cents. It talked about all the same issues which would lead to a collapse, which SMW shows every day. It had to come eventually.
Another one I read a couple years ago which I think of often during this decline is American Theocracy http://www.americantheocracy.net / . With the third of the book that talks about the fall of past empires due to debt problems and looking at our own problems. It is sad to see that material not have much effect.
My economic frugality comes from my late Grandparents and their stories, but more their way of going about life since they lived through the 1930's and were frugal until they passed on a decade or more ago.
I think part of this is just ratings for the extreme right talking heads and they will fall in line after the GOP Convention the end of August. Another part of it is the tendency of "follow the leader" in the GOP base. If you are not 100%, you are then 0% in the eyes of the movement. Remember, the litmus test level is Saint Ronnie Reagan, anything less than the mythical figure will not do.
This cycle could be one where the Republicans are thinking they can maybe take a four year break if things are going in the dumps, McCain seems like a Bob Dole right now, a election placeholder who paid his party dues and is now getting his chance on the ballot. The GOP gamble is to let the tough times fall on the backs of the Democratic Party, have us take the blame and set up a "Carter II" to lead into another glorious "Morning In America".
Remember they still have their eyes on social security and still want to "drown the government in a bathtub of debt" but they know they have to pull back if they want to continue later as they refuse to take the heat of their economic failures. Yet if Hillary or Obama can carry even part of a neo-FDR mantle with some neo-New Deal plans then that type of thinking will go away for a generation or two.
Everyone here in Minnesota are getting really restless as everything is obviously slowing down, being cut back, closed down, etc... The recent Caucuses had a much bigger DFL than GOP turnout and people are getting worried about economic stability.
Ann Coulter has made controversy her currency, outrage her oeuvre. And a lot of currency it is: over the past decade, Coulter's earned a huge amount of money from an unbroken streak of six best sellers, each an angry diatribe against liberals, most featuring her slim blond figure on the cover. Coulter Inc. has helped inspire a cottage industry of imitators, books that all seem designed to feed off the frustrations of the angry right. ("Liberal Fascism," by Jonah Goldberg, is the latest to hit it big.) But Coulter has a subspecialty all her own: uttering remarks so off the charts, so contrary to every norm of civil discourse, that they attract national news coverage. A few months ago she declared on TV that Jews need "to be perfected," and suggested that America would be better off if it were all Christian. Last week Coulter attacked her own party's presumptive nominee. John McCain, Coulter said, was a traitor to conservatives, so much so that she'd campaign for Hillary Clinton if he were nominated. Was there anything the Arizona senator could do, NEWSWEEK e-mailed her later, to change her mind? Would she really stump for Clinton? "I don't know," she wrote. Then she added: "McCain could invent a time machine, travel back in time" and take back all his liberal-leaning votes in Congress. "Short of that," she said, "the only thing that would work is if he put a gun to my head, but since McCain is also against gun rights, that's out." (McCain backed a measure to close a gun-show loophole on background checks, but is otherwise supportive of gun rights.)
The Star Tribune this morning announced the layoff of 58 employees, about 3 percent of the newspaper’s workforce, and an indefinite wage freeze for all its nonunion employees, about 600 in total.
Publisher Chris Harte cited continuing revenue declines, the efficiencies of new technology and outsourcing in a morning memo to employees.
Three-fourths of the eliminated jobs are in the circulation department, which got the news at 9 a.m. meetings.
The exiting employees will receive the same severance given to about 140 employees who took voluntary buyouts last May, which is two weeks’ pay for every year’s employment and six months of health coverage.
PHC is now being heard down under and not just online. MPR/American Public Media are now distributing it down under to Australia in an edited form.
I go and check out the news shows down under as some are relevant to issues here in the US. I clicked down there and found that Prairie Home Companion is renamed "Garrison Kellior's Radio Show" down there.
NEW YORK — The Dow Jones industrial average swept past 14,000 for the first time Tuesday, rising on a relatively mild inflation report and better-than-expected profit reports from blue chip names including Coca-Cola Co. and Merrill Lynch & Co.
The stock market's best-known indicator crossed 14,000 in the first half-hour of trading, rising to 14,002.60, having taken just 57 trading days to make the trip from 13,000.
Stocks have risen fairly steadily since the spring amid a continuum of buyout news and evidence that despite higher fuel prices and the ongoing problems in the housing market and mortgage lending industry, consumers are spending and companies remain optimistic about the future. With the Federal Reserve ever vigilant about inflation, any news that prices are rising at a moderate pace has added to the market's momentum, as it did Tuesday.
The release of upbeat earnings reports also reassured a market that had worried that a slowing economy and rising energy prices would slash into corporate profits.
Read more: http://www.startribune.com/535/story/13074...
Well, the Dow is now over 14,000, but how does this really compare to say 2000 with the dollar in freefall right now? Health care premiums are also going up double-digits for employers.
Let's add a little history. In Jesus' time, the left hand was unclean, used for things that toilet paper is used for today, it wasn't used for much of anything else, if it could be helped. Therefore, in order for someone to have gotten hit on the right cheek by someone facing them, the striker would have had to have used the back of the hand.
A back of the hand blow was a blow that signified the punishment of a child, a woman, or a slave, all of which, in that era and time, were second class citizens. Lower than the lowest man of that time. To be hit that way implied an insult, a degradation.
To turn the other cheek, then, was an implied demand for acknowlegement of equalness. To get hit on the left cheek with the right hand required, first, that the striker acknowledge the striken as something that wasn't of a lower class, wasn't dirt beneath his heels but a real man. Second, it does imply that one shouldn't return bad for bad, violence for violence.
In many ways, it's a lesson of assertiveness versus agressiveness. It is not a lesson that advocates passivity in the face of abuse. Protect your own rights and priviledges without destroying anothers. It's a good balance, too many people can be badly agressive, destroying other people's peace, property or rights in the pursuit of their own. That's wrong. Assertiveness is the protection of your own without hurting anyone else.
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