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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Mon Oct 25th 2010, 03:30 AM
An almost impossible objective, given the mass media campaign that tries to portray every primitive. misogynist, tribalist atrocity as characteristic and descriptive of everyday Afghanistan. although such crimes can be found on every continent (Antarctica and maybe Australia excepted), and are far more frequent in Hindu but actually also equally tolerant India.

An almost impossible goal. After all, from magazine covers and "war reporting," you already know the the people of Afghanistan, at least all the males. are DEMONS. Gooks, ragheads, jihadis, jooz, Huns, Spics, Japs, Micks, whatever, and well, ni**ers and sand-ni**ers, of course. Pick the one the best matches your way of viewing the people in Afghanistan who resist the occupying armies. Or name the one you use.

My experiences there were well before the US began importing and arming bin Laden type fundie crazies. My companion and I never saw even a hint of the attitudes the US later fostered, although we got a hint in US-allied Turkey, a warning in US-despot controlled Iran, and had an unpleasant encounter in Pakistan.

My companion, female, tied a kerchief over some of her hair when we ferried across the Dardanelles. Blue jeans and the rest might have seen her hassled in Zaragoza or denied entry to the Vatican, but we were welcomed and treated as guests almost everywhere we traveled. We never went first or even tourist class, if there was even such an option. The diplomats lived in their own bubble-world and got there somehow. But the van we took to the border and then from the border to Herat, and the one-per-day bus we took to Kandahar and then to Kabul were just one step up from walking, Not a tourist bus. None from outside the borders except us. Never hassled even a bit.

We were treated as welcome guests, not intruders or aliens or pagans or heathens or unbelievers or goyim or infidels everywhere we went. Guests, welcome ones, time after time. This is one fact you need to see. Before the US began importing the truly insane zealot monsters, it was a very alien world, but with its own capacity to change. Engels described the culture as moderate and tolerant in the 1850's, That was what I encountered in 1970. Stepping into Afghanistan was for us stepping into another planet, but not a hostile one, just a very different one where were were greeted and treated as guests.

Another reality. Very much another reality. Very much another world. Mind-boggling other. Made reading sci-fi alternate universes good prep.

But it was a world open to and undergoing gradual change. That was before the US brought in the fundie murderers and capitalist profiteers. What a crying shame and global tragedy that became. The people of Afghanistan were brutalized for decades as a result. And the US funded pawns turned out to be as evil and depraved and corrupt as were needed and supported by the Great Gamers every where on this planet.

We were never asked to pay one Afghani, about a penny then, in bribes to pass by any bureaucrat or open any door. Never even a hint that such pay-for-more-privileges was even available. Instead we were invited to share what they valued, everything from a disk of Afghan Black at the customs post on the Iran border to insisting we climb up onto the few bleacher seats at a buzkashi contest in Kabul.

The Us has now created a very different world there than the one we experienced, one that mirrors the US -- brutal, venal, greedy, corrupt, amoral, religiously insane, intolerant, fear-driven, stupid, ignorant.

The only hope for them, as for us, is knowing that those words describe the overlords there and here, and not the people here and there, and if maybe them there can take one step and us here another, and we, here and all across the planet, yet another, we might defeat them somehow.

There is that anthem, telling the basic truth, "People Have the Power." And the other game of Divide and Conquer. The always question of "Which Side Are You On."
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Sep 22nd 2010, 12:09 AM
Most here probably remember how the corporate media repeated every lie without question. "Expert" after "expert" competed with one another to make the most convincing case for invading Iraq, destroying that economy and its infrastructure. The arguments against were heard very rarely and the anchors treated them as fringe oddballs.

One study described the facts of this campaign, carried out by FAIR, and I reproduce the summary here in compliance with the terms of its Creative Commons License. Just a reminder of the facts about how things work, and why their spin is everywhere, and how they bury views they don't want heard, long before then and ever since then.

3/18/03

In Iraq Crisis, Networks Are Megaphones for Official Views



Network newscasts, dominated by current and former U.S. officials, largely exclude Americans who are skeptical of or opposed to an invasion of Iraq, a new study by FAIR has found. of all

Among the major findings in a two-week study (1/30/03–2/12/03) of on-camera network news sources quoted on Iraq:


* Seventy-six percent of all sources were current or former officials, leaving little room for independent and grassroots views. Similarly, 75 percent of U.S. sources (199/267) were current or former officials.

* At a time when 61 percent of U.S. respondents were telling pollsters that more time was needed for diplomacy and inspections (2/6/03), only 6 percent of U.S. sources on the four networks were skeptics regarding the need for war.

* Sources affiliated with anti-war activism were nearly non-existent. On the four networks combined, just three of 393 sources were identified as being affiliated with anti-war activism--less than 1 percent. Just one of 267 U.S. sources was affiliated with anti-war activism--less than half a percent.


FAIR examined the 393 on-camera sources who appeared in nightly news stories about Iraq on ABC World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News and PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. The study began one week before and ended one week after Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5 presentation at the U.N., a time that saw particularly intense debate about the idea of a war against Iraq on the national and international level.

More than two-thirds (267 out of 393) of the guests featured were from the United States. Of the U.S. guests, a striking 75 percent (199) were either current or former government or military officials. Only one of the official U.S. sources--Sen. Edward Kennedy (D.-Mass.)--expressed skepticism or opposition to the war. Even this was couched in vague terms: "Once we get in there how are we going to get out, what’s the loss for American troops are going to be, how long we're going to be stationed there, what’s the cost is going to be," said Kennedy on NBC Nightly News (2/5/03).

Similarly, when both U.S. and non-U.S. guests were included, 76 percent (297 of 393) were either current or retired officials. Such a predominance of official sources virtually assures that independent and grassroots perspectives will be underrepresented. Of all official sources, 75 percent (222 of 297) were associated with either the U.S. or with governments that support the Bush administration's position on Iraq; only four out of those 222, or 2 percent, of these sources were skeptics or opponents of war.

Twenty of the 297 official sources (7 percent) represented the government of Iraq, while a further 19 (6 percent) represented other governments--mostly friendly to the U.S.--who have expressed doubts or opposition to the U.S.'s war effort. (Another 34 sources, representing 11 percent of officials, were current or former U.N. employees. Although members of the U.N. inspection teams made statements that were both critical of Iraq's cooperation and supportive of further inspections, because of their official position of neutrality on the question of war they were not counted as skeptics.) Of all official sources, 14 percent (43 of 297) represented a position skeptical or opposed to the U.S. war policy. (Sources were coded as skeptics/critics if either their statements or their affiliations put them in that category; for example, all French government officials were counted as skeptics, regardless of the content of their quote.)

The remaining 96 sources--those without a current or former government connection--had slightly more balanced views; 26 percent of these non-official sources took a skeptical or critical position on the war. Yet, at a time when 61 percent of respondents in a CBS poll (2/5-6/03) were saying that they felt the U.S. should "wait and give the United Nations and weapons inspectors more time," only sixteen of the 68 U.S. guests (24 percent) who were not officials represented such views.

Half of the non-official U.S. skeptics were "persons in the street"; five of them were not even identified by name. Only one U.S. source, Catherine Thomason of Physicians for Social Responsibility, represented an anti-war organization. Of all 393 sources, only three (less than 1 percent) were identified with organized protests or anti-war groups.

Overall, 68 sources, or 17 percent of the total on-camera sources, represented skeptical or critical positions on the U.S.'s war policy--ranging from Baghdad officials to people who had concerns about the timing of the Bush administration's war plans. The percentage of skeptical sources ranged from 21 percent at PBS (22 of 106) to 14 percent at NBC (18 of 125). ABC (16 of 92) and CBS (12 of 70) each had 17 percent skeptics.

Sources on Nightly Network Iraq Coverage:
(1/30/03–2/12/03)

SOURCES NUMBER % SKEPTICS %
All Sources 393 100 68 17
Official 297 76 43 11
Non-Official 96 24 25 6
U.S. 267 68 17 4
Non-U.S. 126 32 53 13


U.S. Sources on Nightly Network Iraq Coverage:
(1/30/03–2/12/03)

SOURCES NUMBER % SKEPTICS %
U.S. 267 100 17 6
Official 199 75 1 --
Non-Official 68 24 16 6


Non-U.S. Sources on Nightly Network Iraq Coverage:
(1/30/03–2/12/03)

SOURCES NUMBER % SKEPTICS %
Non-U.S. 126 100 51 40
Official 98 78 42 33
Non-Official 28 22 9 7


See FAIR's Archives for more on:
Iraq/Pre-2003 Invasion
War and Militarism

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.


(edit to make the header more general, since Iraq was just one example.)
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Tue Sep 21st 2010, 02:41 AM
AMY GOODMAN: British novelist John le Carré. I spoke to him in London on Sunday. While he’s famous for his spy novels, he wrote a widely read antiwar essay in 2003 just before the US invasion of Iraq. It’s called "The United States of America Has Gone Mad." This is an excerpt.

JOHN LE CARRÉ: America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War.

The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press.

The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world’s poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

But bin Laden conveniently swept all that under the carpet. The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $60 billion to around $360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayer’s pocket? At what cost—because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people—in Iraqi lives?

How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America’s anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it. A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. But the American public is not merely being misled. It is being browbeaten and kept in a state of ignorance and fear. The carefully orchestrated neurosis should carry Bush and his fellow conspirators nicely into the next election.

Those who are not with Mr Bush are against him. Worse, they are with the enemy. Which is odd, because I’m dead against Bush, but I would love to see Saddam’s downfall—just not on Bush’s terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.

The religious cant that will send American troops into battle is perhaps the most sickening aspect of this surreal war-to-be. Bush has an arm-lock on God. And God has very particular political opinions. God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of America’s Middle Eastern policy, and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist. <...>

What is at stake is not an imminent military or terrorist threat, but the economic imperative of US growth. What is at stake is America’s need to demonstrate its military power to all of us—to Europe and Russia and China, and poor mad little North Korea, as well as the Middle East; to show who rules America at home, and who is to be ruled by America abroad.

The most charitable interpretation of Tony Blair’s part in all of this is that he believed that, by riding the tiger, he could steer it. He can’t. Instead, he gave it a phoney legitimacy, and a smooth voice. Now I fear, the same tiger has him penned into a corner, and he can’t get out.

It is utterly laughable that, at a time when Blair has talked himself against the ropes, neither of Britain’s opposition leaders can lay a glove on him. But that’s Britain’s tragedy, as it is America’s: as our Governments spin, lie and lose their credibility, the electorate simply shrugs and looks the other way. <...>

I cringe when I hear my Prime Minister lend his head prefect’s sophistries to this colonialist adventure. His very real anxieties about terror are shared by all sane men. What he can’t explain is how he reconciles a global assault on al-Qaeda with a territorial assault on Iraq. We are in this war, if it takes place, to secure the fig leaf of our special relationship, to grab our share of the oil pot, and because, after all the public hand-holding in Washington and Camp David, Blair has to show up at the altar.

"But will we win, Daddy?"

"Of course, child. It will all be over while you’re still in bed."

"Why?"

"Because otherwise Mr Bush’s voters will get terribly impatient and may decide not to vote for him."

"But will people be killed, Daddy?"

"Nobody you know, darling. Just foreign people."

"Can I watch it on television?"

"Only if Mr Bush says you can."

"And afterwards, will everything be normal again? Nobody will do anything horrid any more?"

"Hush child, and go to sleep."

Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: "Peace is also Patriotic". It was gone by the time he’d finished shopping.


AMY GOODMAN: British novelist John le Carré reading from his 2003 essay "America Has Gone Mad." John le Carré is the pen name for David Cornwell. His new book, Our Kind of Traitor, is coming out soon. We’ll be broadcasting the full interview with le Carré in the coming days.

From: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/20/john... (video, audio and transcript)

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The full text of the 2003 observations and diagnosis are at: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0115-0...
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Fri Sep 03rd 2010, 02:15 AM
and monitored its internal population as completely and fully as it could. And invaded and terrorized the citizens of other countries it was able to dominate.

Those articles described a truly evil, amoral, murderous form of government controlled by powers that had no human qualities at all. And a totally subservient, cowed and frightened population.

Although I later learned factually that reality is not drawn in black and white (I knew that vaguely even then), and that the conservative anti-commie bias of the owners shaped much of the content.

And yet the horrifying images those articles remained with me as pictures of purely evil, totally amoral state. Fictional then, or embellished, perhaps.

But now I have been seeing that nightmare enacted in reality for a decade. Far more than that, any closer look at history will show.

Spying on the population it owns and manipulating information on a scale never even imagined by the KGB, Murdering a million here and there in expansionist wars of occupation. Maybe the USSR wanted to do such, but they never did. Nuking a couple of cities (that was a warning of what was to follow, for some at least) - "We're Number One!" (and the only one). A true indicator of the evil that followed.

For a long time I believed that the powers that controlled the US state and caused such monstrous crimes might be ousted, that a coup by the people driven by the force of simple, common, basic decency when actual information was made available, was possible.

I thought that something had really changed when we inaugurated Obama even though other prior elections seemed to be no better than "could be worse." I cried tears of joy at the primary celebration, at the inauguration and Seeger-Springsteen singing of "This Land."

(edit to fix tiny typo)
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Tue Aug 03rd 2010, 01:06 AM
A recent post by H20 Man encouraged me to do a search on Wikipedia to see what happened to two such activist enterprises I had been a part of. Glad to see both are alive and well and still doing good work.

Both had no active link on the Wiki page on co-ops, so I fixed that. Glad I can still do a bit more to contribute.

Here's the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worke...

It's a very incomplete page. There are far more than are listed, but in my view, anything short of that kind of world is just another form of exploitation. The best overview of how that works and what it means is the one often mentioned by Thom Hartmann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3...
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sun Jul 25th 2010, 04:02 AM
I just watched "You can't be neutral on a moving train" and learned way more about the times we shared and the battles we fought in than I ever imagined. I thought I knew pretty much all of it, and that asshole assumption kept me from seeing when previous chances cane to my attention. There is very much that is new to me, I thought I had access to even forbidden information channels. A good Intro 101 to The Hidden History of the US." Documented. not just some rant.

One degree of separation, both in proximity in time an place and values, but also in actions, legal and not. I was surprised by how much I learned about both Zinn and the history he unveils. I was there then and conscious and active, but I knew only a fraction of the whole.

I'm pretty sure most DUers were neither active or even aware way back then, or even know the nature of the battles taking place (we won them for a while at least, but for longer is up to you). Watch this rather than whatever you might spend 80 minutes doing.

http://onebigtorrent.org/torrents/3088/How...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51NZ17Uqanw

Take some time to watch and learn. You won't get this information and history on t6he Corporate owned and operated media.

Watch it if getting more than a fraction, or even several (even nearly all) fractions of a clue is something worth that short amount of time. Calling out myself for not doing this sooner.

(edit out tiny typo)
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Fri Jul 16th 2010, 02:31 AM
The most accurate headline ever on this issue.

BUENOS AIRES, Jul 15, 2010 (IPS) - Argentina is officially the first Latin American country to allow same-sex couples to marry, with the passage of a law Thursday that also permits gay couples to adopt children and to use assisted fertilisation to conceive a baby, rights that were hitherto restricted to heterosexual couples.

"Marriage will have the same requirements and effects, regardless of whether the parties are of the same or opposite sex," says one of the main articles in the law passed by the senate in the early hours of Thursday morning.

The bill to reform the marriage clauses in the civil code was approved in the lower house of Congress in May. In the senate, there were 33 votes in favour, 27 against, and three abstentions, passing the bill by a greater majority than had been predicted before the 14-hour long debate.

Government spokespersons said that the law would be enacted promptly by President Cristina Fernández, who celebrated the parliamentary decision as "a positive step for a leading country."

The vote in favour of the bill in the senate was supported by the pro-government Front for Victory, a centre-left wing within the Peronista or Justicialista Party (PJ), the Socialists, and some lawmakers belonging to the opposition Radical Civic Union and Civic Coalition.

From: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=521...
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sun Jul 04th 2010, 02:26 AM
in which every human action, everything humans do to survive or do for any reason, down to dying, further enriches corporations and increases their power. Not long ago a dystopian novel, 'The Sheep Look Up,' envisioned a future in which people paid by the litre for water they believed to be safe to drink. Also for air.

(A YouTube link for those who missed or want to revisit the song reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8C4AIFgUg ).

Capitalism is just another system of laws and paid enforcers intended to make sure that some portion of what workers produce is transferred to those who have the power to take it, not much different than feudalism or slavery (the most perfect form of capitalism).

Other than just wanting to say what should be obvious, this post was prompted by watching AJE's weekly "Inside Iraq," which focused on the failure of the invaders or their "government" to provide electricity outside of the Green Zone. and the demonstrations that have resulted. The infrastructure had been decimated in the first bombings and butchering, denied equipment needed for repairs as justified by the 'collective punishment' theology so favored by brutal regimes, and is no better now than in 1991.

Why can the occupiers and their agents do no better than then? The debate had two sides. One side said that this was Brennan's goal in "restructuring" Iraq, still being implemented. Take down the state and "privatize" everything. The other side simply argued that "privatizing" was good.

This most recent show is not yet up, but it will be at http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/in... / when it gets online.

(edit with better link to the music)

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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Jun 24th 2010, 02:21 AM
I’m going to read a verse or two. And keep in mind these were written early in the 1990s. But I think they apply forever, actually. This first one, I have a character in the books who is, well, someone who is taking the country fascist and who manages to get elected President and, who oddly enough, comes from Texas. And here is one of the things that my character is inspired to write about, this sort of situation. She says:

"Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears. To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool. To be led by a thief is to offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen. To be led by a liar is to ask to be lied to. To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those you love into slavery."

And there’s one other that I thought I should read, because I see it happening so much. I got the idea for it when I heard someone answer a political question with a political slogan. And he didn’t seem to realize that he was quoting somebody. He seemed to have thought that he had a creative thought there. And I wrote this verse:

"Beware, all too often we say what we hear others say. We think what we are told that we think. We see what we are permitted to see. Worse, we see what we are told that we see. Repetition and pride are the keys to this. To hear and to see even an obvious lie again and again and again, maybe to say it almost by reflex, and then to defend it because we have said it, and at last to embrace it because we’ve defended it."

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/11/11/sci...
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sat May 15th 2010, 01:49 AM
I was surprised on my recent trip to Afghanistan that
I learned so much....about the United States. I was in
Afghanistan for two weeks in March of this year, meet-
ing with a large number of Afghans working in humani-
tarian endeavors—the principal of a girls’ school, the
director of a school for street children, the Afghan Hu-
man Rights Commission, a group working on environ-
mental issues. The one thing that all of these groups that
we met with had in common was, they were penniless.
They all survived on rather tenuous donations made by
philanthropic foundations in Europe.

I had read that the United States had spent $300 bil-
lion dollars in Afghanistan since the invasion and occu-
pation of that country ten years ago1, so I naturally
became curious where this tremendous quantity of mon-
ey and resources had gone. Many Americans had said to
me that we were in Afghanistan “to help Afghan women,”
and yet we were told by the director of the Afghan Hu-
man Rights Commission, and we read in the recent UN
report titled “Silence is Violence,”2 that the situation for
women there was growing more violent and oppressive
each year. So I decide to do some research.

95% of the $300 billion that the U.S. has spent on its
Afghanistan operation since we invaded the country in
2001 has gone to our military operations there. Several
reports indicate that it costs one million dollars to keep
one American soldier in that country for one year. We
will soon have 100,000 troops in Afghanistan, which
will cost a neat $100 billion a year.3

...

Violence against women is increasing in Afghanistan
at the present time, not decreasing. The Director of the
Afghan Human Rights Commission told us of a recent
case in which a ten year old girl was picked up by an Af-
ghan Army commander in his military vehicle, taken to
the nearby base and raped. He brought her back to her
home semi-conscious and bleeding, after conveying to
her that if she told what had happened he would kill her
entire family. The human rights commissioner ended the
tale by saying to us the he could tell us “a thousand sto-
ries like this.” There has been a rapid rise in the number
of self-immolations—women burning themselves to
death—in Afghanistan in the past three years, to escape
the violence that pervades many women’s lives—under
the nine-year U.S. occupation.4

Armed conflict and insecurity, along with criminality
and lawlessness are on the rise in Afghanistan. In this
respect, the country mirrors experience elsewhere which
indicates a near universal co-relation between heightened
conflict, insecurity, and violence against women.

Once one understands that the U.S. military presence
in Afghanistan is not actually helping the Afghan people,
the question of the effectiveness or goodwill of other ma-
jor U.S. military interventions in recent history arises. In
Vietnam, for example, the country had been a colony of
France for the 80 years prior to WW II, at which point
the Japanese invaded and took over. When the Japanese
surrendered, the Vietnamese declared their independence,
on September 2, 1945. In their preamble they directly
quoted the U.S. Declaration of Independence ("All men
are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator
with certain inalienable rights; among these are Life, Lib-
erty, and the pursuit of Happiness...”).5

{more follows about human cost of the well documented US government's practice of butchering the weak around the planet for corporate profits and geo-strategic positioning}

From http://www.methownaturalist.com/32-What%20...


The author's home page: http://www.methownaturalist.com /
And the site that led me there: http://www.rawa.org/index.php

Both worth reading.

(edit to fix a very tiny typo)
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Tue Apr 13th 2010, 03:13 AM
is one estimate. The official US position is "We don't give a fuck so we don't count." So a few others try to measure the tons of blood spilled and mountains of corpses the US corporatist empire has produced. That interview is at the beginning of this segment: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/fami...

U.S. government attributable genocides & mass killings


Native Americans: approx 10 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_hi... " target="_blank">Population history of American indigenous peoples


Philippines: approx 1 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-Am... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…


Vietnam: 3+ million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…


US Bombs Laos: 350,000+

http://foi.missouri.edu/icc/kissinger3.htm... " target="_blank">foi.missouri.edu…

US role in Cambodia: 600,000 dead and 1,000,000+ wounded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_in_... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

Cambodia under Pol Pot: 2 million massacred

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia_unde... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…


Indonesia: 500,000+

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph... " target="_blank">educationforum.ipbhost.com…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…


US backed Indonesia against defenseless East Timor: over 600,000, 1/3 of the population

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/indonesia/i... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu

US coerced Indonesia to annex West Papau in 1969:

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu

The Indoensian genocides continue to this day:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/48... " target="_blank">news.bbc.co.uk…


CIA essentially puts Saddam hussein into power

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cia+p... " target="_blank">www.google.com

US arms Hussein


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_sales_to... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

Hussein goes to war with Iran in 1980: 875,000+ dead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#U.S.... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#U.S.... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

Hussein slaughters Iraqi Kurd’s / other Iraqi’s: 182,000 – 400,000

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu

http://www.answers.com/topic/al-anfal-camp... " target="_blank">www.answers.com


US gives Iraq green light to invade Kuwait:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

US attacks iraq: 80,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Iraq... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…

Iraqi’s dead from US sanctions: 500,000 children dead

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Mi... " target="_blank">www.globalissues.org

Iraqi’s dead from US-Iraq War / occupation: over 600,000

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/... /" target="_blank">www.cnn.com


Nicaragua: 50,000


El Salvador: 50,000-75,000

Guatemala: 200,000

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads... " target="_blank">www.serendipity.li

http://www2.truman.edu/%7Emarc/resources/i... " target="_blank">www2.truman.edu…

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu

Argentina’s Dirty War: 30,000

http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE... " target="_blank">www.gwu.edu


Operation CONDOR (Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay & Uruaguay): 80,000+ Dead/Disappeared

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_archiv... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…


US trained assaulting forces in the 2nd Congo War: 3,800,000

http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/r... " target="_blank">www.worldpolicy.org


CIA baited USSR in Afghanistan: 1,500,000+

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in... " target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org…


More numbers:

" target="_blank">www.hawaii.edu



TOTAL:

27,000,000

There are several cases I didn’t even get to also. Doesn’t count indiscriminate killings related to what I call the ‘Empire Wars” in any of the World Wars, Korea and so on.



That is only part of the whole story. Africa (Unita and apartheid and murdering all over) is omitted.
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sat Mar 20th 2010, 03:35 AM
From Matthew Derr, now interim President of the now reviving Antioch College, from http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2009/07/0709... :

“I came out of Antioch transformed,” he said. “Antiochians know how to navigate the world with comfort. We feel comfortable in our own skins and with finding our way.”

Some background. I graduated from Antioch and I think those three sentences describe exactly what it meant for me and what should be the highest possible goal for anything that gets called education. Yes, also a high degree of expertise in some things, and deeper understandings of many things, but those words really hit home in describing what was for me the very, very most valuable, the essence of what 'learning' means. Learning that we are all human, that we, in general tend to be helpful but that there are exceptions,

More background: Antioch College went bankrupt after starting up and spinning off the (still viable) Antioch University system. Efforts to continue the educational tradition the educational philosophy and practice conined in one strand and efforts to regain title to the campus and rehab the buildings in another, and a third group worked to maintain and continue the services provided in the 1000 acre Glen Helen nature preservation area.

Some links:
The Alumni org that raised the cash: http://alumni.antiochians.org/s/1050/start...
The Yellow Springs off-campus educational philosophy continuation project (which also raised revival money): http://nonstopinstitute.org /
Glen Helen: http://antiochcollege.org/glen_helen/about...

A few more words about Derr regarding what was the Antioch experience behind those those three sentences:

"The only child of two longtime General Motors employees — his father was a foreman when he retired, and his mother worked on an assembly line — Derr was not the typical middle-class Antioch College student when he arrived in 1985 from his hometown near Flint, Mich. He felt challenged in many ways, he said, including during his first co-op in Atlanta, when he got off the plane with a job but absolutely no idea where he would live."

As a scholarship student from a small town working class background and income, with a lot of curiosity but limited experience, getting a job in NYC or DC or SF and arriving there with a little money, a promised job and nothing more, well that was perfect for allowing the transformation Derr describes.

These are the kinds of experiences anything called 'education' should provide, not rote recitations or coloring in 4-5 choice ovals on some form.

My kids have both taken different (very different from me and each other) and gotten to good (very different) places. But I think that if the Antioch work-study experience had been a part of their path, they would have valued it as highly as Derr and I do, and gained those same benefits.

For me, there are many instances where Antioch's work-study experiences empowered me far beyond what I as a HS student could have even imagined or wished for.

Coretta Scott King, Eleanor Holmes Norton. Steven Jay Gould, Rod Serling, and thousands you've never heard of,

Anyway. for those who know of Antioch or appreciate its mission or never even heard of it, good news.


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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Dec 23rd 2009, 03:28 AM
blue-jeans wearing female with a bandanna barely covering some head-hair.

No sure what prompted this recollection, but while traveling overland through Afghanistan we spent a night at an inn in Kandahar. Still being used to capitalist societies, and not yet comprehending that we were seen/regarded as guests, I asked the inn-keeper for a padlock for the door.

The language barrier was very high, but after some searching around I got the lock along with the understanding that the inn-keeper believed that I intended to use it to keep my companion imprisoned/protected (two views of the same fact - like burkas, think about it) while going out. Of course, I was just worried that someone would go in and grab my stuff, probable enough in my world but something that was unimaginable within that kind of society. We were guests, not prey. An attitude and belief system I had only half-way experienced in Scandinavia,

This is just a fact-check against those who buy the RW hate-mongerings that portray the Afghan people as murderous savages. (Like the Indians, Japs, Gooks and all that usual and predictable labeling done by corporatist imperialists in order to herd the dumbass sheeples into Rah!Rah! compliance.)

Before the CIA began fostering and importing and arming religiously insane monsters, Afghanistan was one of the most tolerant and welcoming and guest-protective societies anywhere on this poor planet.
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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Mon Nov 30th 2009, 03:52 AM
The typing of Afghans as rabid monsters serves the invader's goals, but is as vile a lie as any told.

I was there in '70 and '71. A lot of my journal recounts the reality we experienced there. As guests, not invaders.

I'll check your links later, but for now let me add this calendar cover as an indication of the direction being taken while the US/CIA was supporting the opposition and importing Islamic fundies and crazies,


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Posted by ConsAreLiars in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Tue Oct 06th 2009, 11:46 PM
was a strong priority within the government? Then the CIA helped fund, arm and organize the opposition to these policies, bringing in religious fanatics from several countries who assisted in turning that poor but previously rather tolerant country into a killing field, as the CIA intended.

Or do you buy into the lie that the people and cultures of Afghanistan are inherently evil?

(edit to change 'culture' to 'cultures' to be more accurate)
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