DU is moving too darned fast.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...

I'm going to keep my Journal updated with WATER related research links.

These wars over water for the 21 century were predicted -- very often cover reasons will be used.

In the last 24 hours -- separate posts on DU have contained the information for us to connect the dots.

This is a war about WATER.

Last night someone posted about Tucker Carlson asking why the Israeli side of the boarder was GREEN and the Lebanon side was BROWN. The Lebanese Ambassador said it was because Israel had diverted Lebanon's water long ago. This trigger my memory -- WATER issues were forecast as THE major reason for war in this century.

I remembered reading an article about Israel threatening Lebanon with War about diversion of water.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/224...

Sharon had in fact threatened Lebanon with war if water from the Hasbani River was diverted. That means water originating in Lebanon was not to be use by Lebanon on pain of war by Israel.

0 September, 2002, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK
Israel warns of war over water

Then someone else posts an article about Israel's war plans were set LONG before the soldiers were capture. In fact they had been planning for this war for some time.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...

The KGO liberal, late night talk show hosts were covering this topic last night as well.

Today a thread with this link was posted -- and within the link there was a link to a NEOCON website -- with a paper on WATER -- and the Middle east.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/H...

half way into the article we find this KEY paragraph:

All according to plan
The world has seen this movie before. The seed for understanding the New Middle East war was sown 10 years ago, in 1996. Everything keeps pointing back to the infamous paper "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm", prepared by neo-cons such as Richard Perle, David and Meyrav Wurmser and Douglas Feith for Likud hardliner Benyamin Netanyahu.

And here is the cherry on the ice cream -- the Neocon link

http://www.iasps.org/nbn/nbn70a.htm

with this short passage (stay tuned for a Neocon list)

Thus, by targeting Israel's most vulnerable strategic asset, its dwindling water supplies, Syria has been able to position itself to profoundly influence Israel's bargaining posture over borders and security. This, more than any other factor, may be the reason why Israel has not committed itself to a written agreement regarding a redeployment to the June 4, 1967 line. To do so would be to signal an irrevocable surrender of both the Jordan River and the Kinneret. But renewed rhetoric in Israel seems to suggest that policy-makers are seriously considering just such a move. This would be a win-win situation for Syria. At best, Mr. Assad would not only score a major victory by gaining back the Golan, but also dramatically alter the water equation, and by extension the balance of power, between Israel and Syria. At the very least, the water issue could drive a wedge between Israel and Turkey.

As policy planners struggle to revive the Syrian-Israeli dialogue once again, resolving the topic of water remains the most difficult task for the two countries. It is also the most important. The way the water issue plays out will have major repercussions not only for Israel, but the region as a whole. The ensconcement of Syria on the Golan would allow Damascus not only to virtually dictate terms to Jerusalem, but exert influence over Amman and create a rift in the Israeli-Turkish military partnership as well. Given the signals made by Israel's continued efforts to reopen talks with Syria, Jerusalem has not yet understood the geopolitical significance of water to its relations with its neighbors. As a result, Mr. Assad has been given an incentive to continue to apply the appropriate pressure, diplomatic as well as military to achieve his goals.

Paul Michael Wihbey is a fellow at the Washington office of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. Ilan Berman is a research associate at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

The plan for this current Israeli war is here

www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

and now the list of neocons

Participants in the Study Group on "A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:"

Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader

James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University

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I believe we now have the real motive for this war -- WATER.

Although I must say that the Hizbolla make great villains -- they are nasty looking people and they do really nasty things. What is to like --oh they do some good social work.

Ignore the magician -- try to see what we are not supposed to see.

STOP fighting among ourselves -- this is what the Neocons want. They know if they use the Israel victim card -- and play the emotional propaganda that we will turn on each other.

Right now the Israel people have bought into the skillful manipulation -- and the nasty evil Hizbolla has responded with missiles.

The real motive is WATER. And the real villain -- the NEOCONS.

We are being conned by cons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/224...
The Hasbani River -- This is the objective for this war -- NOT the Hizbolla.

WE have been duped again by the NEOCONS

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

Thus, by targeting Israel's most vulnerable strategic asset, its dwindling water supplies, Syria has been able to position itself to profoundly influence Israel's bargaining posture over borders and security. This, more than any other factor, may be the reason why Israel has not committed itself to a written agreement regarding a redeployment to the June 4, 1967 line. To do so would be to signal an irrevocable surrender of both the Jordan River and the Kinneret. But renewed rhetoric in Israel seems to suggest that policy-makers are seriously considering just such a move. This would be a win-win situation for Syria. At best, Mr. Assad would not only score a major victory by gaining back the Golan, but also dramatically alter the water equation, and by extension the balance of power, between Israel and Syria. At the very least, the water issue could drive a wedge between Israel and Turkey.

As policy planners struggle to revive the Syrian-Israeli dialogue once again, resolving the topic of water remains the most difficult task for the two countries. It is also the most important. The way the water issue plays out will have major repercussions not only for Israel, but the region as a whole. The ensconcement of Syria on the Golan would allow Damascus not only to virtually dictate terms to Jerusalem, but exert influence over Amman and create a rift in the Israeli-Turkish military partnership as well. Given the signals made by Israel's continued efforts to reopen talks with Syria, Jerusalem has not yet understood the geopolitical significance of water to its relations with its neighbors. As a result, Mr. Assad has been given an incentive to continue to apply the appropriate pressure, diplomatic as well as military to achieve his goals.

http://www.iasps.org/nbn/nbn70a.htm

For more details about how the NECONS have manipulated us -- click link. (This was posted earlier at DU -- wow I am impressed with the research skills here at DU. I'm just connecting the dots.)

THE ROVING EYE
Lebanon left for dead
By Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/H...

until they realized that their poll numbers were tanking.

This is just another NEOCON game -- our eyes have been on OIL.

But the other prize resource is WATER.

Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi and the other NEOCONs know that WATER is the other resource that must be secured -- with lots of bombs and lots of dead bodies.

The body count (if they even pay attention to body counts) is just a number to these ghouls.

But to us -- each dead child is a laugh or a smile that is gone from this earth forever -- and we hurt and grieve for each innocent death that our leaders are causing and/or let happen.

We shouldn't attack each other -- because we all care.

I will have to say -- that this is NOT about Israel protecting herself -- we have far too much evidence that Israel is no longer a victim. Israel has moved into the company of victimizer nations.

If people are angry with an invader and want to take revenge -- what group will they join??

To see that much destruction to one's country and to see all the death and injuries to primarily civilians -- and only ONE organization in Lebanon seems to be hitting back at Israel's aggression would sure help the recruiting efforts of Hizbolla.

To take away everything from a people -- they have nothing left and are easy recruits for the only force going against Israel.

Israel is really stupid -- they helped to create Hizbolla in their last invasion of Lebanon -- Hizbolla evolved to fill a power void left by the Israel invasion of Lebanon.

What happens when Israel can no long control the monster she has created???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/224...

Israel warns of war over water

Israel once controlled the River Hasbani
An alleged Lebanese scheme to divert water from a river feeding Israel's largest reservoir could provoke a war, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has warned.

Israeli army radio quoted the prime minister as saying on Tuesday that the issue constituted a "casus belli", or "grounds for war".

He was addressing senior military and civilian officials after a cabinet meeting.

Lebanon opened a pumping-station on the River Hasbani in the spring of 2001 to irrigate a drought-stricken village but denies that it plans to dam the river.

The river supplies between 20 and 25% of the water flowing into the Sea of Galilee, an official at Israel's Ministry of Agriculture was quoted as saying by the French news agency AFP.

It rises in Lebanon and flows for about 50 kilometres (30 miles) through its territory before joining the River Jordan and emptying into the Sea of Galilee.


Hizbolla -- this is an easy to understand -- emotional trigger word -- to understand and excuse the reason for this aggressive action being taken by Israel.

Combine OIL and WATER -- and the reasons for this war are far more complex. BUT it does explain why bush is acting like the village idiot and why there will be NO move to stop this war.

Also we know that Israel has been planning this war for a long time and has been ready to go to war for over a year.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...

Israel set war plan more than a year ago
Strategy was put in motion as Hezbollah began increasing its military strength


The Hizbolla reason for war is easy to understand -- the real reason for this war is much more complex.

But then OIL and WATER -- aren't that hard to understand.

Now we learn that plans were FINALIZED a whole year ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/224...

10 September, 2002, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK
Israel warns of war over water

An alleged Lebanese scheme to divert water from a river feeding Israel's largest reservoir could provoke a war, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has warned.

Israeli army radio quoted the prime minister as saying on Tuesday that the issue constituted a "casus belli", or "grounds for war".

He was addressing senior military and civilian officials after a cabinet meeting.

Lebanon opened a pumping-station on the River Hasbani in the spring of 2001 to irrigate a drought-stricken village but denies that it plans to dam the river.

The river supplies between 20 and 25% of the water flowing into the Sea of Galilee, an official at Israel's Ministry of Agriculture was quoted as saying by the French news agency AFP.

It rises in Lebanon and flows for about 50 kilometres (30 miles) through its territory before joining the River Jordan and emptying into the Sea of Galilee.

Warning

Army radio said Mr Sharon had notified the United States that Israel could mount military operations should Lebanon begin pumping water out of the Hasbani or its tributary, the River Wazzani.

The Israeli Transportation Minister, Ephraim Sneh, said Mr Sharon had called for a "good and enlightened way" to settle the issue but was ready to "act".

Lebanese workers lay water pipe
The project has drawn criticism from Israel
"If Lebanon put into effect its project to siphon water from the river, it would be serious enough a reason for Israel to act," Mr Sneh told the radio station.

This is sort of like the US invasion of Iraq -- how did our oil get under their sand.

How did Israel's water find it's way to Lebanon??

Hizbolla is real -- and they are nasty -- experts at kidnapping & murder and who know what else -- BUT they exist because of Israel's first invasion of Lebanon 20 years ago. Who sort of hellish group will come into being to drive Israel out -- remember folks occupations aren't terribly successful. The US is re-learning this bitter lesson in Iraq. When countries keep making the same mistakes . . .

HOWEVER -- IF Israel's need for water is so great that they will invade a weaker country and re-take water. . . what else is Israel willing to do? One of the reasons for Israel's occupation of the West Bank is that Jewish settlements and water sources match up on a water map of the area. Water Wars have been going on in this region for a very long time.

We are being pulled into an ancient feud -- which is currently being fueled by dwindling resources. European/Western style water consumptions is deadly in a desert region.

Just do a Google search -- WATER + War -- educate yourself.

The first poster earlier today made fun of my insight (research) into one of the real reasons for Israel's invasion of Lebanon. WARS over water have been predicted and have ALREADY happened.

Water issues will become even more critical throughout the entire globe -- not just the Middle East -- in the coming decade and as this century ages.

Lebanon by Hizbolla. I'm just going by what I read.

Water is a major major mega issue in this whole region --

Desalination may meet some of the water needs -- I've read about Saudi Arabia's water making plants -- and understand the technology.

But this won't meet all the world's needs -- according to the water experts.


according to Adel Darwish, the author of "Water Wars"

During the research for the book: Water Wars both my co-author and I, discovered that water was the hidden agenda for past conflicts and one major obstacle to reach a lasting and final settlement in the region.

Ariel Sharon went on record saying that the Six Day War started because Syrian engineers were working on diverting part of the water flow away from Israel.

"People generally regard 5 June 1967 as the day the Six-day war began,'' he said.

"That is the official date. But, in reality, it started two-and-a-half years earlier, on the day Israel decided to act against the diversion of the Jordan.''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/294...

It has been predicted that in this century most wars would be related to water --

Then this thread was posted at DU -- mentioning that Israel's side was green -- and Lebanon's side was brown in a thread about Tucker Carlson
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...

light bulb time . . .

WATER WARS -- the prime reason for wars of the 21th century as predicted by people who study water issues.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0921-1...

“Just as we fought wars over oil, so will we fight wars over water,” was the threatening mantra hanging over the Congress. Dr. Shusma Pankule of India did confirm, “We have disputes with Pakistan on one side and with China on the other over water.” Israel has stolen the Palestinian water and is selling it back to them at prices they cannot afford,” reported Aliyah Strauss of Israel. “The situation is explosive.”
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http://www.healthy-communications.com/wate...

The next world war will be over water

In Israel, extraction has surpassed replacement by 2.5 billion meters
in the last 25 years. And in Africa, the aquifers barely recharge at
all. On top of that, governments in rich and poor regions alike have
allowed water infrastructures to deteriorate where they even existed
at all, viewing repairs as a nuisance expense, not a necessity.


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http://www.worldwater.org/conflictIntro.ht...

Water resources have rarely, if ever, been the sole source of violent conflict or war. But this fact has led some international security "experts" to ignore or belittle the complex and real relationships between water and security. It is easy for an academic approach to draw a narrow definition of "security" in a way that excludes water (or other resources) from the debate over international security, or to require that security threats be narrow, single-issue factors. But this approach both misunderstands the connections between water and security and misleads policymakers and the public seeking ways of reducing tensions and violence. In fact, there is a long and highly informative history of conflicts and tensions over water resources, the use of water systems as weapons during war, and the targeting of water systems during conflicts caused by other factors.

http://www.google.com / search: wars+over+water

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more:

Some scholars of the Middle East have predicted that the next war there will be over water. Others maintain that water has always been at the center of conflicts in the Middle East (see, for example, Michael B. Oren, Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East (New York: Ballantine Books, 2003), 2, 16, 20-23). By the 1990s, aquifers and rivers were showing signs of drying up in the not too distant future as growing populations competed for already scarce water resources.

Middle Eastern nations are home to only 4.5% of the world's population, but are the source of up to half the world's oil supply. Yet, these nations receive only 2% of the world's rainfall and possess only 0.4% of the world's recoverable water sources. The total water supply of the twenty-two Arab nations is less than 150 billion cubic meters. With the population in this area expected to rise from 250 million in 2004 to 600 million by 2030, Arab per capita water supplies are expected to decrease by half: from 150 to 75 cubic meters per year. (see Roger Harrison, "A Problem With Liquidity: The Challenges of Water in Saudi Arabia," The Washington Report for Middle East Affairs, July/August, 2004, 44)

http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehisto...

Song: Youve Got To Be Carefully Taught

Lyrics From South Pacific musical

Cable:
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacifi...