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DrDebug's 9/11 investigation
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Thread is a continuation from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... ![]() Who did 9/11? A question we all want to know answers to. Meet the CIA of the 21st century. Privatized, independent and hidden from view.
Journal: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/... The video (it is better if you watch the video first) Ty Rauber made it and it has one actor playing all the parts -a conspiracy theorist, a paranoid "they're after us" type, an OCTer, a philospher and they are all discussing 911-it's kind of like this forum. He ties Kroll, CIA, AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story. Why are these Kroll types anti terrorism experts; where do they get the information? Then they show how people move between these corporations and CIA . Doesn't spend a lot of time on the hows and why's of the actual day, more about drugs insurance companies/ CIA and the piece de resistance -what Al Qaeda really is and what Mohammed Atta's function was, his opinion will make a lot of sense as to Atta's behavior. This is all for the same video, I gave different links in case some didn't work: http://www.wkjo.com http://whokilledjohnoneill.com Movie Downloads: http://www.wkjo.com/downloads.html Mirrors: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4... http://www.archive.org/details/Who_Killed_... Iran-Contra II How the 9/11 flight schools were being used for narcotics trafficing to finance black operations like 9/11 which was covered up by labeling the drug dealers, terrorists. The drug import just continued after 9/11 as if nothing happened and were involved in the biggest cocaine shipment ever... ![]() Mohammed Atta's girlfriend Learn about drug planes being used also for illegal CIA rendition, the (hidden) owner of the flight school committing insider trading on 9/11, scams with non-existing companies which miraculously produce DC-9s, and much more... ![]() Ownership: American International Group = Maurice "Hank" Greenberg Marsh & McLennan = Jeffrey Greenberg Ace = Evan Greenberg Bear Stearns = Alan Greenberg Kroll always had AIG as shareholder and is currently part of Marsh. Greenberg-Traurig is now an "independent" law firm, but was started by Maurice. Possible teams for 9/11: October 11, 2001 Marsh established specialized terrorism team called Marsh Crisis Consultancy The following teams were added to it: Control Risks Group, a British ex-SAS team and Versar, bio-terrorism and homeland defense team. The same group could have known each other from 9/11. Kroll has military team in their company and merged with Armor Holdings on August 23rd thus adding Defence Systems Limited, another Private Military Corporation, to their operations, an ex-KGB team called Alpha Firm was earlier acquired by Defence Systems Limited. That makes at least four teams which could have been used on 9/11. Additional teams from the military could have been used as well. They had the means to do this. They had the opportunity to do this. They had motive to do this. Objectives: There are main objectives to 9/11 and additional subgoals persuded that day. The main objectives are: 1. Enabling the war in Afghanistan for oil and drugs. 2. Bush administration gets an enormous popularity gain. 3. Enabling Homeland security. 4. Passing the Patriot Act. 5. Massive insurance fraud. 6. The missing trillions of the Pentagon. 7. Added later: War in Iraq (not part of the original plan) Sub goals: 1. Elimination of competitors: Better position for Silverstream and Marsh in risk management by inviting all experts over the whole world to Windows of the World and eliminating some competitors in WTC. 2. Downsizing of Cantor/eSpeed. 3. Solve some "minor" problems for companies either in WTC or by inside trading. 4. Massive destruction of evidence in the Enron scandal, price inflation fraud for Silverstream, WorldCom, Global Crossing and many other scandals. 9/11 and Iran-Contra There are many similarities between 9/11 and Iran-Contra. One could even say that the same blue print was used and the terror event added as a quick justification of their goals Objectives of Iran-Contra: 1. October Surprise: President Ronald Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush 2. Guerrilla warfare in Central and South America 3. A war between Iraq and Iran Objectives of 9/11: 1. Butterfly ballots, Vote spoilage, Greenberg-Traurig: President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney 2. A war with Afghanistan 3. Guerrilla warfare in Venezuela and Lebanon? Bonuses (W. tries to double H.W.) 4. A war with Iraq Not in the original plan, however on September 12, 2001, George W. Bush told Richard A. Clarke: "Go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way" http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title... This is the probably reason why Germany, France and Canada bailed out, because they had given approval for Afghanistan and at least Germany played a part in the Venice scheme. 5. If you can rig one election, might as well take the next one also. 6. Iran? (option or coming soon...) Why the Pentagon had to be included as well By Minstrel Boy ![]() They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy. She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me. I can't help it if I'm lucky. - Bob Dylan (...) At least among those with a mind for such things, it's fairly well- remembered that on September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld made the shocking announcement that the Pentagon "couldn't track" $2.3 trillion of its transactions. "Iroquois" observes, "What's interesting to me is that he made his press release on a Monday. In DC, I always see bad news given on a Friday, usually late in the afternoon on Friday. The exception, of course, would be when someone happens to know that there is a far bigger story coming out." And we know that Flight 77, allegedly piloted by an incompetent, made an aerobatic, spiralling descent over Washington, effecting a 270-degree turn to strike the Pentagon from a western approach at ground level. The side struck was the only one with an exterior wall hardened against attack, and was relatively empty while renovation continued. (...) http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-... WTC building insurance and ownership What were the 3 companies who insured the WTC? AIG, Marsh and ACE. All run by Greenbergs at the time. They then sold stakes of the original contract to their competition, a process called reinsuring. Once the towers came down, the reinsurers got caught holding the bag. Who mortgaged the WTC? The Blackstone Group, headed by Peter J. Peterson, current head of the CFR. The Blackstone Group bought into Kroll in 1993 at the same time as AIG took majority control. Henry Kissinger sits on the board of the Blackstone Group. On July 24, 2001, 6 weeks prior to 9/11 Silverstein took control of the lease of all the WTC buildings following the Port Authority decision on April 26. Silverstein owned all the buildings. Later he wanted to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies because it were two seperate events. Only ACE, XL Reach - strategic partners of AIG and currently owned by AIG - included a WilProp in their clauses, so Silverstein "only" got $5 billion. Larry Silverstein ![]() "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." - World Trade Center lease holder, Larry Silverstein, commenting on the collapse of Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds" that aired in September of 2002. Or watch a video clip of them here: Victims and Survivors There are some strange victims and survivors in WTC. It makes sense that the lower floors survived, but the top floors have some anomalies as well. Victims: [li> CARR Futures (risk management) ![]() Survivors: Discussions: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... Pre-9/11 inside traders ![]() Discussions: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... Index of previous discussions The Greenberg Family Cartel http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... ![]() http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... Reinsurance/ownership of the World Trade Center: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... Key people http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... )http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... ![]() http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... Whistleblowers ![]() http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... Twin Tower Corporation Index This is an overview of the companies with links to the different pages. Companies with were considered of little or no relevance are not listed. And the lower floors of both buildings were considered less relevant. The same applied to very small companies. A listing here does in no way imply that the company was involved in 9/11. The index has been created from various sources and there does not seem to be an official and concise overview of the Twin Towers. Bold = Inside trader Italic = Victim ?? = Interesting, but too little is known. Floor # - Company (tot/vict) - Comment ![]() 107 - Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (277/77) 106 - Windows on the World (75/66) 106 - Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (277/77) 105 - Genuity = L-3 Communications (10/1) 105 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 104 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 103 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 102 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 102 - Alliance Consulting Group (22/7) ?? 101 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 100 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 99 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 92 - CARR Futures (141/69)98 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 97 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 96 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 95 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 94 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 93 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 93 - Fred Alger Management (36/36) - Used eSpeed 91 - American Bureau of Shipping (22/0) 90 - Dun & Bradstreet (80/0) - Silverstream 89 - Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (52/2) - Inside trader 89 - Banco LatinoAmericano de Exportaciones Sud America (20/0) ?? 86 - Trading Technologies (7/0) - Deutsche Bank 83 - Global Crossing Holdings - Destruction of evidence 81 - Bank of America (400/2) 79 - Virtual suite 7967 with for example Buttonwood 78 - Korea Local Government Center (8/0) - Must have told South-Korea. Just imagine the scandal if they didn't 77 - Martin Progressive (80/0) 65 - Boeing 62 - CARR Futures (see above. This lower floor survived) 59 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 58 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 57 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 56 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 54 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 53 - AIG Aviation Brokerage part of AIG 53 - French Embassy Financial Services - See South-Korea 50 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ?? 49 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ?? 48 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ?? 40 - Lehman Brothers (618/1) 39 - Lehman Brothers (618/1) 38 - Lehman Brothers (618/1) 37 - Government of Thailand (>9/0) - See South-Korea 36 - Kemper Insurance Companies part of Marsh 35 - Kemper Insurance Companies part of Marsh 34 - Royal Thai Embassy Office - See South-Korea 34 - Port Authority 3000/74) 33 - China Daily Distribution Corporation - Nothing is known about the company ?? 32 - Cantor Fitzgerald - See above 31 - Port Authority - See above 31 - Empire Blue (1914/5) - Sad story of Abe Zelmanowitz who stayed behind with his friend in the wheel chair. 29 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company - Moved out Sept 4. Left some equipment though 28 - Port Authority 28 - Empire Blue 27 - Empire Blue 26 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) - ?? 25 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) 24 - Port Authority - See above 24 - Empire Health Choice = Empire Blue 23 - Empire Health Choice 22 - Virtual suite 2201 20 - Empire Health Choice 19 - Empire Health Choice 19 - Port Authority 17 - Empire Health Choice 17 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company 16 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company 14 - Dun & Bradstreet 14 - Port Authority 11 - Bank of America 10 - Bank of America 9 - Bank of America 3 - Port Authority Floor # - Company (tot/vict) - Comment 104 - Sandler O'Neill and Partners (180/63) - Owned several bars/restaurants 101 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 100 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 99 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 97 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 96 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 95 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 94 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 93 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 91 - Raytheon Company (unk/4 on planes) 90 - Washington Group International Inc (190/13) - ?? 89 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ?? 88 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ?? 87 - NY Department of Taxation and Finance (224/39) - ?? 87 - Corporation Service Company (100/0) - ?? 86 - NY Department of Taxation and Finance (224/39) - ?? 86 - Marsh USA (1900/295 in WTC1) 85 - Marsh USA (1900/295 in WTC1) 77 - Baseline Financial (175/3)85 - Harris Beach (113/5) - Represented Gov. Carey 85 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ?? 84 - Euro Brokers (285/61 survivors on lower floor) 84 - Mass Electric Construction Co - Mystery wire expert 83 - IQ Financial Systems (110/3) 82 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 81 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 80 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 79 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 78 - First Commercial Bank (27/1) - Note: small office of a small bank. Most likely unrelated 78 - Baseline Financial (175/3) 74 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 73 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 72 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 71 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 70 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 69 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 68 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 67 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 66 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 65 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 64 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 63 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 62 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 61 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 60 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 59 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 58 - Dow Jones (900/0) 57 - Dow Jones (900/0) 56 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 55 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) ?? 54 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 53 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 52 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 51 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 50 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 49 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 49 - Seabury and Smith = Marsh 48 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 48 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 47 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 46 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 45 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 44 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 43 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 40 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) - ?? 39 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) 38 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) 36 - Frenkel and Company (180/0) - ?? 35 - Frenkel and Company (180/0) 34 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) = Massachusetts Mutual and not Oppenheimer & Company 33 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) 32 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) 31 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) 30 - Hartford Steam Boiler = ITT 29 - Weatherly Securities Corp (60/0) - ?? 23 - SCOR U.S. Corporation (120/0) - ?? 22 - Mancini Duffy (150/0) - ?? 20 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) 20 - NY Shipping Association (140/0) 19 - NY Shipping Association (140/0) 18 - 4 U Services Inc (25/0) 17 - N.Y. Institution of Finance (65/0) 16 - National Development and Research Institute (130/0) 15 - Mancini Duffy (150/0) 12 - Verizon Communications (400/2) - See: Thomas Kean 12 - Euro Brokers (285/61 survivors on lower floor) 11 - Verizon Communications (400/2) 10 - Verizon Communications (400/2) 9 - Verizon Communications (400/2) Other subjects http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... |
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February 6, 1952–September 11, 2001 ![]() Click for video and theory al-Cokeda scam How the 9/11 flight schools were being used for narcotics trafficing to finance black operations like 9/11 which was covered up by labeling the drug dealers terrorists. The drug import just continued after 9/11 as if nothing happened and included the biggest cocaine bust ever... ![]() Mohammed Atta's girlfriend Learn about drug planes being used also for illegal CIA rendition, the (hidden) owner of the flight school committed insider trading on 9/11, scams with non-existing companies which miraculously produce DC-9s, and much more... General disclaimer Used in accordance with "fair use" You are free to copy this journal within 'fair use', if you wish to use the copyrighted material from this journal for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owners (see sources). Full permission for whatever purpose is granted for these compilations. Thank Yous There are four people which I want to give special thanks to: 1. Ty Rauber, the creator of Who Killed John O'Neill. 2. Daniel Hopsicker for his excellent reporting in Venice. 3. Richard Grove for confirming the story. 4. Wayne Madsen for the vital extra clues. 5. Sibel Edmonds. 6. Al Martin for his deep investigation in the Bush family. 7. Michael Ruppert for all the inside trader information. 8. Miranda Priestly, my awesome assistent in this investigation 9. The Catbird Seat, an incredible resource in corporate crime. Blogroll DU Journals
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