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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion: Primaries
Fri May 16th 2008, 04:33 PM
McCain on Background Checks at Gun Shows
“He was for it, before he was against it”

AN OPEN LETTER TO NRA MEMBERS

When Senator John McCain addresses NRA leaders at their convention today, we all need to ask where does he really stand on the important issue of background checks on all gun transfers at gun shows.

In March of 2004, on the floor of the US Senate, Senator McCain delivered an impassioned plea for legislation to close the so-called “gun show loophole”.

SENATOR MCCAIN: “Why do we need this amendment? Some might point to tragedies such as Columbine, but as horrific as the massacre at Columbine was, where eleven young people needlessly lost their lives, that is not what drives the need to close the gun-show loophole. We need this amendment because criminals and terrorists have exploited and are exploiting this very obvious loophole in our gun safety laws...”

“We need this amendment because, according to the NRA , ‘hundreds of thousands’ of unlicensed firearms sales occur at gun shows each year. We need this amendment because ATF has identified gun shows as the second leading source of firearms recovered from illegal gun trafficking investigations...

We also need this amendment because my law-abiding constituents who attend gun shows in Arizona should not have to rub shoulders with the scum of the Earth who use this loophole to evade background checks to buy firearms to peddle to God knows who.”

More:
http://www.huntersandshooters.com/index.ph...




See also:

The American Hunters and Shooters Association Supports Obama: He "Gets It"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...
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Posted by IanDB1 in Latest Breaking News
Fri May 16th 2008, 04:28 PM
Today, as president of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States. Because the gun issue has recently become a factor in the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania, I want to share the remarks I made today:

As a gun rights organization we have not come to this decision lightly. We were formed two years ago because our research shows that millions of gun owners wanted a change. They not only wanted an organization that would protect their gun rights but an organization that was also committed to the protection of their communities as well as the protection of our lands.

<snip>

We believe recent attacks on Senator Obama's stand on the 2nd Amendment and his commitment to our hunting and shooting heritage are unfair and American Hunters and Shooters Association is stepping up to set the record straight.

Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill of 2007. This amendment prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ray-schoenke...




Montana Sportsmen for Obama
By Christopher Hass - Apr 23rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm EDT

HELENA, MT – The Obama campaign announced today the formation of the Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee on a press conference call with reporters. Members of the committee cited Senator Obama’s commitment to supporting the rights and tradition of sportsmen, and the need to address the conservation challenge in Montana and across America.

“Hunting and angling are important traditions in Montana, passed from generation to generation,” said Steve Doherty, former Montana Senate Minority Leader and Chair of the Montana Fish, Wildlife, and Parks Commission. “Sen. Obama understands the challenges Montana’s hunters and anglers face from dwindling wildlife and climate change, and he is committed to preserving our lands and protecting natural habitats.”

“Senator Obama believes in protecting gun rights and respects the Second Amendment and the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms,” said Rep. Kendall Van Dyk (D-Billings), House Democratic Chair of the Montana Legislative Sportsman Caucus.

“Obama gets the connection between global warming and wildlife and habitat. He supports common sense solutions, endorsed by dozens of America’s premier hunting and angling organizations including our very own Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation here in Montana, that will reduce the effects of climate change on wildlife.” said Land Tawney, an avid sportsman and leader in the conservation community. “Access here a big issue for sportsmen in Montana and as a US Senator he supported Open Fields Incentive legislation which provides federal money for public access to private land programs.”

More:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/p...





PRESS CONFERENCE CALL THIS AFTERNOON
Montana Conservationists Defend Obama on Hunting, Gun Issues
By Bill Schneider, 4-18-08

Stung by recent accusations that he doesn’t support the best interests of hunters, anglers and gun owners, presidential candidate Barack Obama had his campaign office hold a press conference call today to refute those claims and show “Senator Obama’s commitment to the rights and traditions of Montana’s sportsmen.”

An impressive line up spoke on Obama’s behalf, starting with Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission chairman and former state senator Steve Doherty, who pointed out that roughly half of the people in Montana’s hunt or fish and that he believed Obama would more strongly represent hunters, anglers and gun owners than Hillary Clinton.

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Kendall Van Dyk, a member of the Montana House of Representatives and chair of the Legislative Sportsman’s Caucus, gave examples of where Obama had voted for gun rights and Hillary had not. “He (Obama) understands the importance of the Second Amendment,” Van Dyk emphasized.

Capping off the discussion was Land Tawney, active in many conservation groups such as the Hellgate Hunters and Anglers, National Wildlife Federation and Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership.

More:
http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/motna... /





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Posted by IanDB1 in Political Videos
Thu May 15th 2008, 08:44 PM

 
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Posted by IanDB1 in The DU Lounge
Thu May 15th 2008, 06:29 PM
I mean really... thousands!

Brokeback of the Ring, Brokegate Mountain, Star Wars: The Empire Brokeback, Brokeback to The Future...


Hundreds of Brokeback Star Trek videos alone.

How come there's no Brokeback 700 Club video?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...

And a really easy one... Brokeback O'Reilly Factor?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...
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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion: Primaries
Thu May 15th 2008, 05:37 PM
Now, I know some of you were thinking in terms of Hillary / Obama or Obama / Hillary.

If so, you're thinking too small.

What if Barbara Boxer was running for President (YAY!) and she picked as her running mate (Shudder!) Pat Buchanan?

Or what if Obama is your dream candidate and he picked, for his running mate, Jeb Bush?

What about a Dennis Kucinich / David Duke ticket?

Al Franken and Alan Keyes? Oh, there's a dilemma.

Or, for you lurking Republicans out there, what if George W. Bush got to run for a third term, but picked Al Sharpton as his running mate? Or if you're a Republican, would you vote for President Rick Santorum if he chose Barney Frank as his running mate?

Now, remember the rules. There is no middle ground. This is a forced-binary poll. You can't say, "Well, it depends on HOW bad their running mate is." Because this poll is about what you would do if THE BEST POSSIBLE CANDIDATE picked THE WORST POSSIBLE RUNNING MATE.

Oh, also assume that the other party is running the two runner-up options for "worst possible." For example, Fred Phelps / Bill O'Reilly (or if you're a Republican, Jane Fonda / Helen Thomas)

Now, close your eyes, and pick the most awesome Presidential candidate your mind can conjure up.

And now think of which politician you absolutely hate the most.

If your own, personal dream candidate chose your own worst nightmare as a running mate, would you vote for them?

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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion
Thu May 15th 2008, 02:27 PM
"Your candidate's middle name is Hussein! That means he's a terrorist!"

"So what? Your candidate's last name is McCain, which means Son of Cain. Do you think he's descended from Cain?"

"The names Barack Hussein and Obama all have six letters in them!"

"Uhm, no... they don't."

"Yes, they do! Sean Hannity said so!"

"Have you tried counting them yourself?"

"What are you? Some kinda gay commie liberal muslim extremist?"

"Damn. You caught me. How'd you guess?"

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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion
Thu May 15th 2008, 02:15 PM
Enoch, Son of Cain
From BibleWiki

The eldest son of Cain (Gen 4:17), who built a city east of Eden in the land of Nod, and called it "after the name of his son Enoch." This is the first "city" mentioned in the Bible
http://bible.tmtm.com/wiki/Enoch,_Son_of_C...


"Enoch also, the seventh from Adam"
Jude says Enoch, "the seventh from Adam", prophesied that God would come with 10,000 of his saints "to execute judgment upon all." But this prophecy is from the Book of Enoch (which the author considered scripture and believed was written by Enoch), not from the Bible.
Was Enoch the seventh from Adam?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/e...


The Mark of Cain

And the LORD set a mark upon Cain .... -- Genesis 4:15

Until the 1978 revelation to Mormon President, Spencer W. Kimball, black men were not allowed to hold the priesthood. This was based, in part, on Genesis 4:15, where God placed a mark on Cain after he had killed his brother Abel. Joseph Smith and later LDS leaders interpreted the "mark upon Cain" to be turning of Cain's skin (and that of all his descendents) black.

It should be noted, however, that Mormons were not alone in this interpretation of Gen.4:15. Many Protestant denominations at the time Joseph Smith founded the LDS Church (1830) had the same racist understanding of the "mark of Cain."

More:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/m...


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Posted by IanDB1 in Latest Breaking News
Thu May 15th 2008, 01:40 PM
The California Supreme Court is considered politically moderate, with six judges appointed by Republican governors and one by a Democrat.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNew...


Gay marriage legal in California, court declares
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Posted by IanDB1 in Latest Breaking News
Thu May 15th 2008, 12:14 PM
McCain Agrees With Bush’s Remarks on Obama/Nazis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...
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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion
Thu May 15th 2008, 10:00 AM
Instead of indemnifying the telecoms out of the taxpayer pocket (Bush says it would cost too much money, but the real reason is because they know that the Discovery process would provide the evidence to put Bush officials in jail).

So, let's take the money excuse off the table.

Let's set the maximum civil and criminal penalty at a $100 fine for any telecom company or executive who broke the law, provided they agree to full disclosure, and agree to testify under oath.

Then, the telecoms won't have to worry about financial ruin, or having their executives thrown in jail, and the government won't be able to cite the high cost of indemnifying them as an excuse.

A $100 fine for AT&T-- provided they fully disclose everything, and agree to testify under oath.

And then we can prosecute the Bush Administration.

I called my State Representative, and his staffer on the phone seemed downright enthusiastic about the idea, and said she would pass it along.

Provided someone get Nancy Pelosi off the table, and find Harry Reid a pair of balls somewhere.

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Posted by IanDB1 in Political Videos
Thu May 15th 2008, 08:11 AM

 
May 09 2008 show notes

* "Brunch with Bernie" with Senator Bernie Sanders, Independent of Vermont.
* Guest: Medea Benjamin, Code Pink, just back from Jordan and Syria where she spoke with Iraqi mothers.
* Farm subsidies. "Columbia Dies over Texas". The goddess Columbia".
* Guest: U.S. Congressman Rush Holt (D-NJ, 12th District). His recent trip to Iraq.

Topics, guests, upcoming events, quotes, links to articles, audio clips, books & bumper music.

<snip>

Farm subsidies. When the space shuttle disintegrated over Texas, there was a farm subsidy for those who found pieces. Thom {told} the story of how, when he was immersed in Jefferson research, he saw the headline "Columbia Dies over Texas" he at first thought Bush had somehow killed the Goddess of America. He told how Columbia became the Goddess of America. She's on top of the Capitol building, and with scales as the Lady Liberty that John Ashcroft covered over. Why DC has no representatives.

More:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?opti...


Columbia (name)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Personification of Columbia, from a Columbia Records phonograph cylinder package.

Columbia (IPA: /kəˈlʌmbiə/) is the first popular and poetic name for the United States of America; it is also the origin of the name for the District of Columbia, the federal district which is coextensive with the federal capital, Washington. Columbia is a feminine form derived from Christopher Columbus, one of the first Europeans to explore the Americas after the Vikings. The moniker dates from before the American Revolution in 1776 but fell out of use in the early 20th century.

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In this painting (circa 1872) by John Gast, called American Progress, Columbia - as a personification of the United States in the implementation of Manifest Destiny - leads civilization westward with American settlers, stringing telegraph wire as she travels; she holds a schoolbook. The different economic activities of the pioneers are highlighted and, especially, the changing forms of transportation. The Indians and wild animals flee.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_ (name)



See also:

How Washington, D.C., got its name
http://www.geocities.com/bobarnebeck/name....


See also:

Columbia: American Goddess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f34fIpTwEyw
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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion: Primaries
Wed May 14th 2008, 10:14 AM
Who am I kidding.

If the U.S. had the same demographics as West Virgina, we would have annexed Canada by force decades ago.
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Posted by IanDB1 in General Discussion: Primaries
Wed May 14th 2008, 08:11 AM
What if Hillary drops out of the race, and instead of endorsing Obama, she gives all her delegates to Edwards?

Perhaps in exchange for being his nominee for Vice President.

Or perhaps even over the objections of Mr. Edwards himself, who has suspended his campaign.

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America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse: Bush's Plan to Immanentize The Eschaton
America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse: Bush's Plan to Immanentize The Eschaton

The GOP is controlled by Christian Fundamentalist Neocons intent on creating disorder and destruction in the world-- especially in The Mid-East-- as part of their program to bring about The Apocalypse and The Second Coming of Christ.

All of Bush's "failed" policies are directed toward this effort.

It is not incompetence that has led to these "failures" that have de-stabilized the world-- this is the deliberate intent of Bush's foreign and domestic policies.

Everything from the condom-free programs to "fight" AIDS around the world that actually spreads MORE AIDS, to the so-called "Roadmap To Peace" which is actually a "Roadmap to The Apocalypse." These "failures" are deliberate.

"Nobody could have anticipated..." is the new GOP Mantra.


The Christian Fundamentalist Domonionists running the US Government are willing to fight down to the last Jew, and the Muslim Fundamentalists running the Mid-East are willing to fight down to the last Palestinian.

Jews and Palestinians in Israel are the proxies in a war between Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists. The Christians are playing both sides against the other to do what they see as fulfilling Biblical End Time Prophesy, that will leave the Jews destroyed in The War of Armageddon.

Only 16% of Jews in America are Republicans. Does anyone wonder why?

They're the 16% like Joe Lieberman, who says in answer to Bush's war, "Give Me Your Children." They're the 16% like Jackie Mason, who feel safer collaborating by pointing the finger elsewhere, hoping that the Christo-fascists will find him to be a "Useful Jew" in the War to Save Christmas.

The Muslims are fighting because their state-controlled media have fed their citizens a steady diet of Anti-Jewish propaganda that leads them to believe that Jews are the one thing holding them back from peace and prosperity-- when in fact, it is the rich oil sheiks that drain the Earth of its wealth, giving none of it back to their local serf-like populations, that are keeping them poor and desperate.

As long as the billionaire sheiks, princes and sultans can scapegoat The Jews, they think that their citizens won't turn their gazes upon the opulent palaces of their rulers and ask, "Why don't they share some of the wealth with all of us?"

"Pay no attention to my fabulous marble palaces... Look! The Jews have Palestine!"

The American Neocons mollify some of their base with various reasons to explain why we're shitting all over the planet. They say it's about "Spreading Democracy," or "Securing our National Interests" aka, "Oil." And they also say we're protecting our allies-- for example, Israel.

With friends like America, Israel hardly needs enemies.

America is the guy in the bar who says to Israel, "Hey, you gonna let him say that about your mother? Here, borrow my gun."

And when it all goes to Hell, all eyes will be on Israel and upon the Jews around the world.

Already, anti-Semitic violence around the world, including in America, is on the rise. Check out The Southern Poverty Law Center at http://www.SPLcenter.org for statistics.

There will be a new Krystalnacht in every country around the world, including America. The American government will call for tolerance and restraint publicly, but will in fact do nothing as rioters run rampant through city after city, burring synagogues and attacking Jews in the streets of America.

And when enough damage has been done, Martial Law will be declared.

The surviving Jews will be rounded-up into detention camps "for their own protection," as we often claimed as justification for interring the Japanese during WWII.

Jews and Muslims will be rounded-up "for their own protection" from the angry mobs of America. The Minutemen, the Klansman, and combat-stressed, over-worked American troops who just cannot be trusted not to stalk and rape little girls and then kill their families.


Who knows how well America's new Interment Camp residents will be treated?


What happens when the camps become so full, they have no room for all the illegal immigrants?

And then the Conscientious Objectors who opt for a work program rather than to fight in a war, after we institute a military draft? Those camps are going to get awfully full. There will need to be some kind of solution-- perhaps even a Final Solution.

The Christian Triumpahlists will declare this an opportunity to "reclaim" America's "Christian Heritage," and America will officially declare itself a "Christian Nation."

We are looking at the fruition of the Christo-fascist Death Cult's plan to destroy Israel, to destroy the Muslim world, to rid America and the world of all non-Christians and other "undesirables."

And while we here on DU and elsewhere argue over who is the bigger terrorist-- Hammas, Hezbollah, or The IDF, we're missing the big picture-- all of those organizations are mere pawns. This bloodshed has been carefully cultivated for centuries.

As much as I abhor Israel's recent actions, I am even more repulsed by an organization that has the stated intent of driving the Jewish people into the sea. Hezbollah and Hammas use civilians as human shields, and the Israeli government stupidly plays right into their hands, causing untold needless bloodshed, and turning world opinion against them even more.

It's a perverted twist on Ghandi's non-violence program. The "New Terrorism" tactic is to inflict enough damage on your enemy to provoke a massive, disproportionate response against your own citizens-- and thus gain sympathy. They turn their own civilians into unwilling martyrs.

And there are stubborn, short-sighted people in the Israeli government who continue to fall into this trap of being "forced" to cause civilian casualties.

The Israelis know about this trap, and they drop leaflets in Lebanon, and even make phone-calls to Palestinians in Gaza to warn civilians to evacuate before bombing, yet there is still untold bloodshed and death. There is no such thing as a war without civilian causalities.

I do not know how to stop people from shooting rockets at you without shooting back at them. I do not know if there is a "good" solution to this problem. But what I do know is that the current Israeli counter-attacks are counter-productive and that the bloodshed is unconscionable.

On Thursday, Presidential Spokes Liar Tony Snow proudly declared that what we are seeing in the Mid-East right now, is the direct result of American Foreign Policy.

America, Fuck Yeah!

And the recent developments are being precisely choreographed by an administration that sees The Fires of Armageddon as the light at the end of the foreign policy tunnel.

Whether or not you believe there is a Christ, or that The Book of Revelation is a prophecy of the end of the world does not matter. In a way, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy. This administration is following it as a blueprint, and Christ or No Christ, the end result is death and destruction.

All the Bush policies that encourage global warming, pollution, spreading AIDS, destroying social safety nets-- it's all meant to de-stabilize the world into desperate, impoverished, warring factions. It's all meant to spread death, disease and famine as they believe is foretold in Revelation.

The "Roadmap to Peace" is a cookbook, and Israel is the sacrificial lamb for the Apocalypse. The American Christo-Fascists running our country believe that there needs to be a great war in Israel, in which a few thousand Jews will convert to Christianity, and the rest of Israel-- and the Jews-- will be destroyed by a very angry Jesus.


We are all playing right into their hands-- all of us. And by "all of us," I mean the whole world.


The world very well may be destroyed because 29% of Americans will believe anything Bush tells them. Because 29% of Americans believe Bush is appointed by God and cannot be questioned.

If you ever speak to a Palestinian whose house has been blown-up by Israel using a bomb that America sold them, and they ask you why America has allowed this to happen, tell them this-- their people are dying because some Americans were afraid gay people might want to get married.

Tell the families of the 30,000+ dead Iraqis that they are dying because 29% of Americans hate gay people more than they love their own children.

Tell the Israeli children, hunkered-down in their bunkers under a constant barrage of rockets, that the reason why their families are dying is because 29% of Americans failed to learn the lessons of The Holocaust.

People around the world are dying because 29% of Americans believe in un-questioning obedience to an absolute ruler, and have fallen under the power of a fear, smear, and queers based campaign, with a high-tech ballot stuffing program just large enough to tilt the scales-- twice.

And tell them that most of us are very sorry.

And tell all of them-- Muslims, Arabs, Jews, Iraqis, Palestinians-- all of them that I, for one, am very, very sorry, and that I am ashamed of my country.


More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...


See also:

The Foreign Policy of 20 Million Would-Be Immortals
Topic started by IanDB1 on Aug-01-06 07:54 AM (4 replies)
Last modified by rubberducky on Aug-01-06 03:07 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...

PHOTOS: A survey of Rapture Art on the Internets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...

59% of Americans belive in The Rapture, and they control The Congress...
http://www.bushwatch.com/rapture.htm

On Bush's Religious ideology and its effects on Policy (4 articles)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...

Video: Bush Wants Apocalypse (Warning: Graphic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYnKEg5mZ1k

 
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