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Posted by MikeH in Religion/Theology
Sun Aug 17th 2008, 07:37 PM
Response to OP: I am NOT "saved" nor do I want to be.
As for me, even if I might accept Christ and "being saved" for myself (which I did once), I was never able to accept having to have in the back of my mind the idea that OTHERS are "saved" or "unsaved", and the resulting duty to tell others about Christ motivated by the concern that if a person does not "come to Christ" in this lifetime, then that person goes to hell. That was one of my major issues when I was a Christian.

For a long time I was a more "mainstream", non-fundamentalist Christian; I went to Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodist churches, though sometimes I was involved in Bible study or fellowship groups in which some of the participants were more fundamentalist.

However I eventually came to the point at which I realized that being a Christian, supposedly "having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ", or being "saved" had not been of any help to me in this present, earthly life in enabling me to better deal with anything that was a source of pain, frustration, or unhappiness.

I no longer consider myself to be a Christian, and no longer consider myself to be bound by any duties or obligations that are specifically imposed by the Christian faith (as opposed to duties and obligations incumbent on any good or moral person). I am happy about no longer being a Christian, and, with all due respect to Christians who are happy with their faith, I for myself am as certain as I am of anything that it was the right and healthy thing for me to part company with the Christian faith (or at least with the external, outward practice of the Christian faith). That being the case, I might now be considered to "unsaved", according to some Christians.

In any case, I for myself do not want any "salvation" that is to be forever denied to anybody who happens to miss out on "accepting Christ" in this lifetime (for whatever reason), or who happens to guess wrong by adhering to a religion other than Christianity. And neither do I want any such "salvation" which is forever denied to an "unsaved" murder victim, but is given to the murderer if the murderer later "repents" and "accepts Christ".
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Morality and Duty, and Access to Spontaneous or Childhood Feelings
Morality and performance of duty are artificial measures that become necessary when something essential is lacking. The more successfully a person was denied access to his or her feelings in childhood, the larger the arsenal of intellectual weapons and the supply of moral prostheses has to be, because morality and a sense of duty are not sources of strength or fruitful soil for genuine affection. Blood does not flow in artificial limbs; they are for sale and can serve many masters. What was considered good yesterday can--depending on the decree of government of party--be considered evil and corrupt today, and vice versa. But those who have spontaneous feelings can only be themselves. They have no other choice if they want to remain true to themselves. Rejection, ostracism, loss of love, and name calling will not fail to affect them; they will suffer as a result and will dread them, but once they have found their authentic self they will not want to lose it. And when they sense that something is being demanded of them to which their whole being says no, they cannot do it. They simply cannot.

Alice Miller, For Your Own Good

http://www.nospank.net/fyog10.htm#central
Learning from Hitler and his childhood
What point is there for us today in learning about Hitler and his history? For me, the main point is this: our knowledge will serve as a warning against our blindness and encourage us to give it up once and for all and to struggle against collective repression. This is what I do consistently in all my books in order to help people understand the psychodynamics of the mistreatment of children and its immeasurable danger for society, as demonstrated by Hitler's case. My explanations are by no means intended to suggest pity for a man as merciless as Hitler.

it was in large part owing to Hitler and his history that I became aware of the dangers of our traditional morality. We are exhorted to honor our parents and never question them no matter what they have done. Yet when I realize that millions of human beings had to die so that Adolf Hitler could keep his repression of childhood trauma intact, that millions were subjected to humiliation in concentration camps so that he never had to recognize how he had once been humiliated, then I believe that one can't point out these connections often enough in order to shed light on this unconscious production of evil. How should young people be expected to recognize and reject inhumanity and crime if these continue to be disguised instead of being pointed out as plainly as possible? Only when young people are permitted to know exactly what happened and how it could happen, only if they don't allow anything to stifle their curiosity and are not afraid of the truth, can they free themselves from the burden placed upon them by their forebears' blindness.

Alice Miller

http://www.naturalchild.com/alice_miller/a...

See also
http://www.nospank.net/fyog13.htm
http://www.nospank.net/fyog2.htm
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