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Posted by MikeH in The DU Lounge
Wed Jul 06th 2011, 08:13 PM
Response to OP: Dan Fogelberg - Leader of the band
Musically speaking the song is very nice; however there are some things in the song that I have some problems with, and that I feel very strongly about. I myself had a very difficult dad (who died 25 years ago), and I do not have the same sentiments about my dad that Dan Fogelberg had about his dad. However even apart from my own personal issues with my dad I have some problems with some things in the song that I feel I need to say something about.


1) I very strongly question the idea that a “thundering, velvet hand” (obviously a euphemism for spanking) is something to be regarded as being benign or a sign of parental love, or something that ought to be remembered with fondness.

The late writer and psychotherapist Alice Miller has this to say about spanking:

Spanking is always an abuse of power. It is humiliating and it creates fear. A state of fear can only teach children to be distrustful and hide their true feelings. They learn from their parents that violence is the right way of resolving conflicts and that they are bad or unworthy and thus deserve correction. These children will soon forget why they were spanked. They will submit very quickly, but later in life, they will do the same to weaker persons. By spanking we teach violence. The child's body has learned the lesson of violence from their parents over a long period and we cannot expect it to suddenly forget these lessons at the behest of religious values, which the body doesn't understand anyway. Instead, it retains the memory of being spanked.


See Violence Kills Love: Spanking, the Fourth Commandment, and the Suppression of Authentic Emotions

Also here

According to Alice Miller, love seasoned even with "only" occasional, "educational" spanking is not possible and is not really love. Any violence in one’s upbringing, however well-intended, kills love.

What is particularly dangerous, according to Alice Miller, is when a person who was spanked as a child forgets the pain and humiliation of having been spanked, and comes to regard being spanked as having been good and necessary, a normal part of one’s upbringing, and a parental prerogative that one does not need to call into question.


2) Unlike Dan, I do not want to thank my dad for “the times when he got tough”. I don’t know about Dan Fogelberg’s father, but my dad was sometimes very arbitrary about “getting tough”. He often decided in Godlike fashion that I needed to be yelled at or bawled out like I had committed a crime or a heinous sin when I made an honest mistake, honestly forgot something, or when he was not fully pleased with something or when something did not quite measure up to his standards. And he would always say that whatever he said or did was said or done out of “love”, and “for my own good”. Again, I strongly question that one always ought to thank a parent for “getting tough”.

It seems that it is a widely accepted notion that part of being a “good” parent, particularly a “good” father, is that sometimes he is supposed to “get tough”, almost as part of being a “real” man, and as a “macho” thing (and not so much concern for the child). I am certain that my father had that notion (even if he would not say so in words). I would venture to guess that my dad sometimes thought to himself , “I have not been ‘tough’ with Mike in a while; I think I need to get ‘tough’ with him right now. I need to teach him a lesson, and I am doing it for his own good.”

Of course there are instances in which parental firmness is quite appropriate, and there are things about which any good parent will take a firm stand. (And I think the word “firm” is a much better word than “tough”.) However it is bad if parental “firmness” (or “toughness”) is applied arbitrarily, and for the real purpose of showing who is boss.

I did get my share of spankings, particularly from my dad, when I was a kid. However for me what might have been as bad as if not worse than the physical spankings was my dad’s extremely judgmental attitude (and his judging “by the letter of the law”), and his sometimes emotional and psychological abuse, and his often being very insensitive and showing a lack of understanding about some very sensitive personal issue or something that I was struggling with. The spankings stopped when I reached a certain age, but my dad continued his emotional abuse and insensitivity well into my adulthood. It was one of the biggest frustrations and biggest disappointments in my life that I was not able to stand up to my dad or appropriately confront him the way I would have wanted to while he was alive. I would always eventually be either intimidated or sweet-talked into going along with whatever he said or did, even if deep down I did not find it OK.

My dad did do many very nice things and many very good things, and I had many good and pleasant times with him. When he was in a good mood he could be quite pleasant and fun to be with. He was certainly far from being the worst father anybody ever had. And I did express appreciation for the good and nice things he did and the good times I had with him. I sent a very nice father’s day letter to him one year, at the suggestion of my mother, which my dad was very touched by.

So unlike Dan Fogelberg, I have no regrets about not saying “I love you” to my dad “near enough”. I definitely feel that I did say it to him enough. My disappointment and regret is not having been able to confront him or stand up to him about things he said and did that were really not at all OK. And the fact that my dad did many very nice things, and many very good and praiseworthy things, does not at all mean that nothing he ever said or did was wrong or blameworthy.


3) Finally, I think any halfway decent counselor or therapist, or anybody giving any kind of halfway decent personal advice, would say that it is a very bad mistake if one’s life is a “poor attempt”, or even a good attempt, to imitate another person, however worthy of admiration that person may be. Certainly one might seek to emulate some good traits of an admired person. However one should always strive to be one’s own unique self, and to be the best self one can be, and never settle for trying to imitate anybody else.


Incidentally I voted that I disliked the video. I was one of the 12 people who did so, and who are mentioned in the comments.

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Learning from Hitler and his childhood
What point is there for us today in learning about Hitler and his history? For me, the main point is this: our knowledge will serve as a warning against our blindness and encourage us to give it up once and for all and to struggle against collective repression. This is what I do consistently in all my books in order to help people understand the psychodynamics of the mistreatment of children and its immeasurable danger for society, as demonstrated by Hitler's case. My explanations are by no means intended to suggest pity for a man as merciless as Hitler.

it was in large part owing to Hitler and his history that I became aware of the dangers of our traditional morality. We are exhorted to honor our parents and never question them no matter what they have done. Yet when I realize that millions of human beings had to die so that Adolf Hitler could keep his repression of childhood trauma intact, that millions were subjected to humiliation in concentration camps so that he never had to recognize how he had once been humiliated, then I believe that one can't point out these connections often enough in order to shed light on this unconscious production of evil. How should young people be expected to recognize and reject inhumanity and crime if these continue to be disguised instead of being pointed out as plainly as possible? Only when young people are permitted to know exactly what happened and how it could happen, only if they don't allow anything to stifle their curiosity and are not afraid of the truth, can they free themselves from the burden placed upon them by their forebears' blindness.

Alice Miller
Adolf Hitler: How Could a Monster Succeed in Blinding a Nation?

See also
For Your Own Good: Preface to the American Edition

For Your Own Good: Adolf Hitler's Childhood: From Hidden to Manifest Horror
The "Final Solution", Adaptation to Society's Norms, Morality and Duty, and Childhood Feelings
People with any sensitivity cannot be turned into mass murderers overnight. But the men and women who carried out "the final solution" did not let their feelings stand in their way for the simple reason that they had been raised from infancy not to have any feelings of their own but to experience their parents' wishes as their own. These were people who, as children, had been proud of being tough and not crying, of carrying out all their duties "gladly," of not being afraid--that is, at bottom, of not having an inner life at all.

...

This perfect adaptation to society's norms--in other words, to what is called "healthy normality"--carries with it the danger that such a person can be used for practically any purpose. It is not a loss of autonomy that occurs here, because this autonomy never existed, but a switching of values, which in themselves are of no importance anyway for the person in question as long as his whole value system is dominated by the principle of obedience. He has never gone beyond the stage of idealizing his parents with their demands for unquestioning obedience; this idealization can easily be transferred to a Führer or to an ideology. Since authoritarian parents are always right, there is no need for their children to rack their brains in each case to determine whether what is demanded of them is right or not. And how is this to be judged? Where are the standards supposed to come from if someone has always been told what was right and what was wrong and if he never had an opportunity to become familiar with his own feelings and if, beyond that, attempts at criticism were unacceptable to the parents and thus were too threatening for the child? If an adult has not developed a mind of his own, then he will find himself at the mercy of the authorities for better or worse, just as an infant finds itself at the mercy of its parents. Saying no to those more powerful will always seem too threatening to him.

...

Morality and performance of duty are artificial measures that become necessary when something essential is lacking. The more successfully a person was denied access to his or her feelings in childhood, the larger the arsenal of intellectual weapons and the supply of moral prostheses has to be, because morality and a sense of duty are not sources of strength or fruitful soil for genuine affection. Blood does not flow in artificial limbs; they are for sale and can serve many masters. What was considered good yesterday can--depending on the decree of government of party--be considered evil and corrupt today, and vice versa. But those who have spontaneous feelings can only be themselves. They have no other choice if they want to remain true to themselves. Rejection, ostracism, loss of love, and name calling will not fail to affect them; they will suffer as a result and will dread them, but once they have found their authentic self they will not want to lose it. And when they sense that something is being demanded of them to which their whole being says no, they cannot do it. They simply cannot.

Alice Miller
For Your Own Good: The Central Mechanism of "Poisonous Pedagogy"
Other tyrants and their childhood
In the lives of all the tyrants I examined, I found without exception paranoid trains of thought bound up with their biographies in early childhood and the repression of the experiences they had been through. Mao had been regularly whipped by his father and later sent 30 million people to their deaths, but he hardly ever admitted the full extent of the rage he must have felt toward his own father, a very severe teacher who had tried through beatings to "make a man" out of his son. Stalin caused millions to suffer and die because even at the height of his power his actions were determined by unconscious infantile fear of powerlessness. Apparently his father, a poor cobbler from Georgia, attempted to drown his frustration with liquor and whipped his son almost every day. His mother displayed psychotic traits, was completely incapable of defending her son and was usually away from home either praying in church or running the priest's household. Stalin idealized his parents right up to the end of his life and was constantly haunted by the fear of dangers that had long since ceased to exist but were still present in his deranged mind. The same might be true of many other tyrants. The groups of people they singled out for persecution and the rationalization mechanisms they employed were different in each case, but the fundamental reason behind it was probably identical. They often drew on ideologies to disguise the truth and their own paranoia. And the masses chimed in enthusiastically because they were unaware of the real motives, including those operative in their own biographies. The infantile revenge fantasies of individuals would be of no account if society did not regularly show such naive alacrity in helping to make them come true.

Alice Miller
The Political Consequences of Child Abuse
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