Oh sure, there are a LOT of things about this country that are really fucked.
But this is the one thing that's bothering me just this moment.
In looking at all the clowns in the Republican Clown Car, that there are living, breathing people who are walking around amongst us who actually think that any one of those fools are qualified to run the country.
Which points out two very disturbing conclusions to me:
One: That these people have made a conscious decision to support any one of these unqualified clowns as President of the United States, who is guaranteed to pretty much destroy America (and maybe the World) as we know it if they're elected or successful in stealing the White House, just as long as the Black Guy gets kicked out of office.
And Two: As a general principle, any unqualified clown can become President of the United States.
The second part, I think, is the reason why shit never gets done… Or gets done in the worst way possible. We have no idea what the fuck we're doing… And we don't know, because we're always giving unqualified clowns credit when no credit should ever be given.
What is it... are we cowards? Are we just plain dumb? Do we hate common sense and basic human decency just that badly?
All in all, and I really don't care WHO gets elected as long as we're so backwards a society, things are not going to get radically better here. It's only going to get either gradually or drastically worse.
It's plain as day that a Democratic sea change of epic proportions is needed. A change towards common sense, justice and basic human decency.
I'm hoping that OWS is the beginning of that sea change… It has to be the tipping point where people in general say to themselves that they've had enough of this shit and they're not going to take it anymore.
It's time to make things WORK for EVERYBODY… Simple as that.
The people who are opposing the Occupiers have played their hand and have shown, through their opposition, that OWS is actually affecting THEIR bottom line. This is the worst thing that they could do to keep their asses soaking in champagne in the long run.
If the 1 Percent is smart, they better start making contingency plans for a future world that's not as cozy for them. Sharing is a good beginning for this new world.
The 99 Percent is coming and the last thing the TOPPERs need is for the rest of everyone to be an angry, resentful mob who's out for their necks.
Eschew the Clowns!
The Hour has struck Midnight in the South Cakalaka cemetery home of the desiccated corpse of the Late H. Lee Atwater, here are this years winners.
Political Category A Winner!
Rick "Oil Slick" Perry
Political Category B Winner!
Scott "Koch Head" Walker
Media Whore Category Winner!
Rush "Drug Fueled Pedo" Limbaugh
All Others Category Winners!
The Koch "Greed 'r Us" Brothers
Thanks for voting everyone!
Have a great Halloween and see you all next year!
And this year will be a doozy.
As you know, the desiccated corpse of the Late H. Lee Atwater will rise from his grave at midnight on Halloween to hand the award for most evil conservative to the one that you choose here in GD. Voting will begin at midnight on All Hallows Eve.
It promises to be a big occasion with a veritable GLUT of bad conservative actors.
In previous years, I've had the award for "Republican" evil… This year there will be a change to "Conservative" to be a bit more accurate in the description.
I'm taking nominees right now… Who do you think best represents the worst of American Conservatism?
Categories will be judges in the political, media and all other arenas.
Give me names, folks… Nominate the worst!
First off: That is not Obama at 22. That's Obama when he was 18 and enrolled in Occidental College.
Image Google "Obama" and "Occidental College" and you'll get, right up front, a picture of the future President of these United States showing us all that he's the coolest motherfucker to sport a brim:
By the time Obama was 22 he had graduated from Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialty in international relations and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in 1983. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Perry, who was born to a rancher/politician daddy a good 11 years prior to Obama, to his credit, was enrolled in Texas A&M Univ, majoring in Animal Sciences during his college years. Perry: "'I was probably a bit of a free spirit, not particularly structured real well for life outside of a military regime, I would have not lasted at Texas Tech or the University of Texas. I would have hit the fraternity scene and lasted about one semester.'] Perry was a prankster in college: he once placed live chickens in the closet of an upperclassman during Christmas break and used M-80 firecrackers to prank students using the toilet." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
Perry graduated with a GPA of 2.22: http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news-mainm...
Now Perry entered his first political office in 1984, this is important to remember, he was 33 at the time. Before that, he had left the Air Force with the rank of captain (captain is an automatic promotion in the Air Force, all you have to do is come to duty and breathe… More than likely, he was passed over for major. When that happens, your career is over), returned to Texas, and went into business farming cotton with his father (Which is the ONLY job that he's ever held where he didn't draw a gubmint check).
By the time Obama was 33, he hadn't even started his political career yet. Because he was busy doing other stuff:
Two years after graduating, Obama was hired in Chicago as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen. He helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute. In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time in Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his paternal relatives for the first time. He returned in August 2006 for a visit to his father's birthplace, a village near Kisumu in rural western Kenya.
In late 1988, Obama entered Harvard Law School. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year, and president of the journal in his second year. During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.] After graduating with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.] Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations, which evolved into a personal memoir. The manuscript was published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father.
By January 19, 1999, Perry was elected to the office of Lieutenant Governor of Podunkistan, where he remained until the following year when he assumed the governorship when Junior stole the White House. With his utter lack of upward mobility, he's been in the same place for THE LAST ELEVEN YEARS.
Obama by the year 1997, was elected to the Illinois State Senate, in 2004 he was elected to the US Senate and by 2008 elected as President of the United States.
When I last checked, Perry was still Governor of Podunkistan…. Even with an eleven year head start.
So sure, Perry started with all the benefits of family clout, coasted through life, took the military route and stood still like the kind of rocks that fill his magnificently coiffed head, while Obama came from a very meager background, worked his brains HARD and aimed for the stars, where he's at the top of the food chain today.
So, it just goes to show you: it's not where you're from, it's where you're at.
Outfoxed By Democratic Governor O’Malley, “Liberal” Van Susteren Leaps To Defend Republicans
Reported by Ellen - August 12, 2011 - Comments
“Liberal” Greta Van Susteren obviously got more than she bargained – or was prepared for – during an interview with Maryland’s Democratic governor, Martin O’Malley Wednesday night (8/10/11). O’Malley was there to discuss how his state's sound financial footing might be threatened by the federal government's credit downgrade. But when O’Malley seized the framing of the conversation and insisted on making calm, civil but pointed criticisms of Republicans and their policies, Van Susteren couldn’t handle it. I think it’s crucial that Democrats who go on Fox seize control of the agenda just this way. For that, O’Malley is our latest Top Dog.
O’Malley signaled right at the start he was not going to be a Tea Party kind of governor when he announced that his state’s AAA rating was due to both “cuts and revenue.” Noting that fiscal responsibility hasn’t been easy, he added that he’s done “unpopular things like raising the sales tax by a penny.” But, he continued, “for that, we have a very good quality of life, an innovation economy that’s well poised to create jobs.”
Van Susteren didn’t show a moment’s interest in how O’Malley or Maryland was managing. Instead, she moved on to prompt him to criticize the federal government, by pointing out that Maryland’s rating was now in jeopardy because of S&P’s downgrade of the U.S.
But if she thought O’Malley was going to use the opportunity to attack Obama or Congress in general, she was wrong. He blamed “the dysfunction with the extremists in the Republican party in Congress.”
A year ago I offered some much needed advice to you and yours that unfortunately went unheeded: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...
I suggested that you and all of your idiot friends just simply sit back and drink a few beers, have some fun with your mates and chill. And most of all, QUIT doing politics. I asked you all to quit for a pretty good reason: Because you're all god-damned idiots... Every single one of you. Well, like god-damned idiots, you all didn't listen to me. And look at the sorry situation that we all find ourselves in right now: You all broke the fucking government. It's broken because you all went out of the way to elect the biggest collection of morons to ever hold public office in America, The Congressional Tea Party Caucus.
You and your tea bagging friends didn't simply just break the government, you actually raped and pillaged it like a horde of marauding Huns. Why would you do something so utterly moronic? Because you hate the Black Guy more than you love the country itself?!? OK-OK-OK, you think the Black Guy sucks, we all know this. But hell, don't you LIKE Social Security checks and Medicare payments? Apparently, you fools don't, because you all sent the Tea Party Caucus to Congress to break the fucking government.
This is crash an burn politics that you're playing, people. And I have to say, that the way that you're playing this game, it's ALL going to crash and burn on all of our heads if you keep this shit up. Now I hear that you want the Black Guy OUT of office next year and you want to replace him with one of those stellar political Republican geniuses like Michele "Batshit Crazy" Bachmann, Rick "Frothy" Santorum or Tim "Milquetoast" Pawlenty. You really think that these people are capable of running the country. I have to tell you, if you elect a Tea Party president, you may get that Black Guy out, but all your guy is going to do is run the country into the ground. These are people who don't even want to pay the bills that have already been incurred, which is the ONLY reason why the Debt Ceiling needs to be raised. Bills from unnecessary wars, the unwillingness to control Wall Street, Medicare Part B and the failure to raise revenue for ANY of that because the wealthy just had to hoard more cash through unnecessary tax cuts. These are all horrible Republican ideas that put us all in this crappy situation, by the way.
So, if the Tea Partiers don't want to pay our bills, how in the hell do you think that they'll run a government, when the ONLY thing that they know how to do is fucking break it?
Now I have to ask you. what's it like being a god-damned idiot?
What's it like to not even have two functioning brain cells to rub together?
What's it like to shamble around in suspiciously abject silence while the fools you all sent to Congress do everything that they can to break the fucking government?
I really want to know, because I just don't understand this.
Normally, at this point, I offer advice... But this time I won't because you will never listen.
But I will offer a prediction: If you get what you want, total Tea Party Control, you're going to be really, really sorry.
- Sorry that you can't pay your bills because the interest rate on your loans and bills will skyrocket.
- Sorry that you can't find a job because no one is keeping the corporations from sending them overseas.
- Sorry that your taxes will go UP while taxes on the rich will go down.
- Sorry that your sons and daughters will be sent overseas in more wars to kill muslims.
- Sorry that the government will completely abandon everyone who isn't wealthy, like you and your fellow god-damned idiots.
- And sorry - FOR REAL - because you want people running the country who only know how the BREAK THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT.
Good luck with that.
Well, we're going to have to be a country that ceases to make war so obscenely profitable… and SEXY!.
Taking the profitability out of the mighty American war machine is a tremendous task… Frankly, I don't know ANYONE who can take on that behemoth.
But… Making Peace SEXY is a no-brainer and we would need Hollywood's help to pull this off.
I give to you some ideas to make Peace so sexy that no one can resist it.
Here we go:
Starring George Clooney as the the head of the International Committee To Ban Land Mines http://www.icbl.org/intro.php
He travels the world, saving lives and uses his charm and considerable skill to get all of the world's governments to sign on to a treaty to ban land mines. The key point of the movie is where he personally saves the President of the United States (Played by Ryan Seacrest), from a land mine field on the border between North and South Korea.
The popular President finally signs the treaty and mounts a successful campaign, with Clooney's help, to get the Senate to ratify it, banning land mines now and forever.
Starring Jason Statham as the man who brokers the deal that gets all of the world's nuclear powers to dismantle their nuclear arsenals.
A scientist, played by Jude Law, creates the "Anti-Nuclear Plasmic Shield" and deploys it by satellite, with the help of billionaire industrialist and international Peace advocate, Sean Connery. The beam renders all the world's nuclear arsenals inert, causing the nuclear power government to panic. They threaten to destroy the satellites to regain their war making ability.
Only one man has the power to stop them.
Statham, as the head of the anti-nuclear group Musicians United for Safe Energy http://musiciansunited4safeenergy.com quickly seizes this opportunity to mount the biggest global concert ever to garner public support for Law and Connery's scientific coup.
The key point of the movie is the massive concert sequence, with practically every popular musician alive, who inspires the citizens of the world to peacefully convince the nuke powers to cease their efforts to destroy the Anti-Nuclear Plasmic Shield.
Since the nuclear arsenals are now inert, it inspires a global nuclear ban treaty and the dismantling of all nuclear weapons.
"LAST TANGO IN THE PENTAGON"
Starring Brad Pitt as the sexy, single Secretary of Defense and Angelina Jolie as the sexy, single operative from the Friends Committee on National Legislation http://fcnl.org who seduces him.
Basically, it's a series of sexy trysts between Pitt and Jolie with lots and lots of sexy action.
The key point of the movie is when Pitt is thrust into the Oval Office when the President, the Vice-President, the Speaker of the House, the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Secretaries of State and Treasury are all killed in a massive sinkhole accident outside of Reno, Nevada.
This leaves the nation in the sexy hands of Pitt, who has now had a change of heart about the role of the US as a global war making super power because of his interaction with the sexy, peace loving Jolie.
The movie climaxes when Pitt, marries Jolie in a the first wedding of a president at the White House since Grover Cleveland, and they work together, as Sexy Prez and Sexy first lady, to change the Department of Defense to the "Department of Peace" and demobilize the entire US War Machine.
It's a movie that has something for everyone.
Rated R for Nudity and Sexy Situations
Let's make Peace SEXY!
I am forming a new organization. It's completely informal and anyone can join. It has NO organizational hierarchy or leadership and will be made up of a membership of complete equals.
It has only one goal: TO KEEP THE GODDAMNED REPUBLICANS FROM TAKING THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2012.
I call this organization….
If you want to join, sign up here and feel free to grab the graphic for you own use.
Rally with me with a hearty "FUCK YOU, HAMSHER!"
It's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. I'm sure that most of you are aware of how this works, but others of us need a quick reminder of what we're dealing with.
Here's a quick vid that explains what it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
From the Wiki, here's a quick synopsis:
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to appreciate their mistakes. The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others"
The effect is about paradoxical defects in cognitive ability, in oneself and others.
The Dunning–Kruger effect was put forward in 1999 by Justin Kruger and David Dunning. Dunning and Kruger quote Charles Darwin ("Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge") and Bertrand Russell ("One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision").
The hypothesized phenomenon was tested in a series of experiments performed by Justin Kruger and David Dunning, both then of Cornell University. Kruger and Dunning noted earlier studies suggesting that ignorance of standards of performance is behind a great deal of incompetence. This pattern was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis.
Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:
1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2, fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they can be trained to substantially improve.
Dunning has since drawn an analogy ("the anosognosia of everyday life") to a condition in which a person who suffers a physical disability because of brain injury seems unaware of or denies the existence of the disability, even for dramatic impairments such as blindness or paralysis.
There's a good reason why the Right does everything that they can to keep people uninformed. First, it allows the propaganda (lies) that they promote to have the greatest effect; i.e., if they can set the parameters at which things are known to an extremely low level, then this will make it harder for actual facts to be accepted. The withholding of facts promotes incompetence, which makes it harder for those who are incompetent to evaluate what they know accurately. This inability to accurately assess their their actual degree of competence promotes an over-estimation of their own ability. Which I think perfectly explains WHY people who are the most idiotic and ill-informed are the most intransigent in accepting actual facts that counter their beliefs and fail to recognize that they're completely wrong.
Bachmann and Palin's incompetence blinds them to their own incompetence, makes them believe that they are more competent than what they actually are and blinds them from recognizing others who are actually more competent than they are.
Their problem lies with the fact that they have isolated themselves from the ability of others to inform them that they are, in fact, incompetent and must learn an actual fact or two. This also removes any doubt about whether or not they actually believe their own bullshit. They actually do. Whenever you hear them saying things that are totally whacked, they actually believe what they're saying to be the God's honest truth.
The political power which affords them the ability to isolate themselves from the truth, reinforces their grossly inaccurate assessment of own competence and promotes their inability to accept real fact when they hear it makes them completely unacceptable for promotion to higher office.
These people and those like them are too dangerous to be put in charge of the rest of us.
Pretty much proof that we have to do everything that we can keep them and those who can pull their strings from having total control of this country.
We all have to work together towards this goal, in spite of what differences that we have amongst ourselves.
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I figure that it really doesn't matter who on the left is going to be president, unless he has big left money and big left numbers backing him up.
The Right knows this and are doing everything that they can to hamstring Obama and the left by any means possible.
Killing public sector unions, taxing the poor and working class to death and restricting voter rolls is all part of their game. There are other parts, as I'm sure that we can all come up against.
Even on the Left, there are people willing to scapegoat Democrats because it brings them attention and clicks to their websites. If they were HAPPY instead of CONTROVERSIAL, that would undercut their income. Net based business models and interview invitations are the driving forces behind this. So not all outrage, in fact, is justified. A reader has to pick and choose from the deluge of "outrage" to get at the facts. Frankly, repeat offenders who lie and distort should be relegated to the trash heap of insignificance, instead of getting called and called again to express their latest "outrage" about the latest controversy. But they know that preexisting dissatisfaction is rampant, and they're all too very willing to exploit it for their own gain.
The Media can only be depended upon to function as gossip mongers… See above.
And on the ground, a lot of us don't know what to think. I'm sure that a lot of us aren't thinking at any given time when we're too busy reacting. Also, see above.
My point is that a Democratic president, ANY Democratic president is going to be compromised by the present system. That's the way it works. It's a form of control. A president may have some leeway, but not a lot in any given situation. Our system makes it much more harder to build than destroy instead. There's a lot more money in destroying and we're not the ones getting it. Politics is all about controlling the people in outward power by those who are behind the scenes. The ones who can gather more money than us, drive public opinion and sow doubt with propaganda. Prevent YOU from exercising your own rights in any way. Obstruct in any way possible.
They control him (or her) by controlling you. And they would love for you to give up. There was a troll here just a moment ago… What did he appear to do? Give up, of course. In his own warped way, he was trying to set an example. No one took the bait, obviously. But that's because the person was an idiot and was incapable of being patient, carefully duplicitous and clever enough to effectively deceive.
They may be idiots, but we shouldn't underestimate their potential for harm. Also we should never underestimate the potential for us to harm ourselves. Which we do, because we feel that we're not worthy, especially if obstruction happens at any given time.
Now… On the other hand, there are people who are, in fact, fighting back, and it's about time. It a battle call that we all must join. Because, we're all at stake here.
But most of all, no one, not even the person at the top should be expected to go it alone without enough strong support. No matter what the webbies and talking heads would have you believe. No matter what your closely held ideals are, biting the bullet has a necessity all its own.
Democracy does not function on auto-pilot. It must have all of our hands on the wheel all of the time. Otherwise, we'll surrender the wheel to those who're all too happy to drive us into a crevasse at a high rate of speed and collect the insurance dough before skipping town.
You have 2 cows.
You give one to your neighbour.
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and gives you some milk.
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and sells you some milk.
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and shoots you.
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull.
Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
You sell them and retire on the income.
You have two giraffes.
The government requires you to take harmonica lessons
AN AMERICAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows.
Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead.
ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of
credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a
debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all
four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows.
The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a
Cayman Island Company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who
sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company.
The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on
You sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving
you with nine cows.
No balance sheet provided with the release.
The public then buys your bull.
THE ANDERSEN MODEL
You have two cows.
You shred them.
A FRENCH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You go on strike, organise a riot, and block the roads, because you want
A JAPANESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and
produce twenty times the milk.
You then create a clever cow cartoon image called ‘Cowkimon’ and market
A GERMAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and
AN ITALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are.
You decide to have lunch.
A RUSSIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
You count them again and learn you have 2 cows.
You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.
A SWISS CORPORATION
You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you.
You charge the owners for storing them.
AN INDIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You worship them.
A BRITISH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
Both are mad.
A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION
You have two cows.
The one on the left looks very attractive.
AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
Business seems pretty good.
You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.
AN IRAQI CORPORATION
Everyone thinks you have lots of cows.
You tell them that you have none.
No-one believes you, so they bomb the **** out of you and invade your
You still have no cows, but at least now you are part of a Democracy…
A CHINESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You have 300 people milking them.
You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity.
You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.
Basically, it's a particular Myers-Briggs personality personality type. I must warn you, what I'm about to say to everyone here will be said in a very typical INTP fashion. Please bear with me, if you will.
INTPs only make up 2% to 3% of the general population. Given that we make up such a limited percentage, it should stand to reason that most people aren't going to come across us that often and when they do, we may confuse them because they don't understand us.
Actually, that's OK, because most of us have anticipated that reaction.
However, we strive to understand ourselves above all. It's in our nature.
But not only do we strive to understand ourselves, we strive to understand THINGS and other people, of course. We are driven by the belief that we do not have all the answers and are always on the look out for new facts, new perspectives and even new opinions. We feel that the truth can be as amorphous as it can be concrete. But we feel that actual facts and logic are the keys to finding whatever truths are there.
We ask questions. Maybe some people don't like to answer those questions. To us, such a reaction is an answer in itself.
Most of the time, we prefer to go with the flow. But only if we believe that flow is worth going with, then if we won't… And let me quote from the linked article to elaborate:
INTPs do not like to lead or control people. They're very tolerant and flexible in most situations, unless one of their firmly held beliefs has been violated or challenged, in which case they may take a very rigid stance.
We tend to point out things that we don't think are correct or even fully thought through, even if those things are sacred cows. Something like that doesn't aways encourage everyone to be happy campers. But we is who we is...
In other words and from my perspective, that's where some of the conflict that I find myself getting into about certain issues on DU stems from. What I really want to do is have a deep discussion, and at times I may challenge widely held assertions, especially if all the facts as I see them don't coincide. If these assertions stand up to challenges, I like most other INTPs, will concede. You see, if we believe that they do coincide, then we're all hunky dory with that.
Also from this, which admittedly is a prevalent shortcoming for INTPs:
The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. They strive constantly to achieve logical conclusions to problems, and don't understand the importance or relevance of applying subjective emotional considerations to decisions. For this reason, INTPs are usually not in-tune with how people are feeling, and are not naturally well-equiped to meet the emotional needs of others.
Understanding this reaction, I usually suggest to folks that I've pissed off for one reason or another to tell me that they're pissed off and, if they're wont, why. AS a matter of fact, I'm quite sure that I've been told to my face that I'm an idiot for this very reason. Of course, anyone otherwise attuned, coming across any INTP who does not consider their subjective emotional considerations won't be happy about that situation. And recriminations will ensue.
I'm quite sure that this OP will piss some of you off, for whatever reason. And that's fine, I accept that.
There is one thing that I should point out to everyone here… If I don't like a person, I have no qualms telling them that I don't like them and if they'd like to hear it, I'd even tell them why. Except for trolls and Republicans, most of them do not post here, I don't dislike anyone else on this board.
But I should point out, that I never want to sow discord, merely for the sake of sowing discord. I don't like discord, and frankly that is the last thing that I want to do here. I wouldn't even be here if that is what I'm up to. I'd be pissing off wingers and trolling their boards someplace else.
I'm just trying to get to the heart of any particular matter, even the sensitive ones. I should point out that telling any INTP that he or she shouldn't consider any subject that comes to their attention is going to fall on deaf ears. The key to getting an INTP to stop paying attention to something to help him or her fully understand it. Once something is fully understood by an INTP, they will rarely revisit it… Unless conditions change.
I know that I'm not always elegant in the way that I approach those answers, and I really do appreciate it with others point out my apparent lack of skills. I'm only human.
Lastly, I want to tell you all that this post is a hard thing for me to write. I really hate making MrScorpio the center of attention… I love it when my ideas and observations are appreciated or even challenged… But I really hate making things about me. I know some people, and they have pointed this out before, don't want to hear me making things about me, whether or not it's my intention. Knowing how other people are, I really don't blame them.
So, to those of your who are inclined to either rec or unrec this OP, I would prefer it if you don't.
If you don't don't understand anything that I've written or even don't give a fuck… I understand and it's fine by me.
INTPs are a rare minority and things happen the way that they do.
To anyone who I have pissed off, I'm sorry.
I'd thought I try out the old Google and find out from their perspective.
I typed in "Why i'm a conservative" and patiently waded through the morass of excuses for why they say that they are conservatives. Mostly what I got was a laundry list of GOP platform planks; low taxes, anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage, anti-welfare, anti-illegal immigration, anti-muslim, guns for everyone (one of the few things that they're not against) and so on. Most of their reasons are boring as shit, as you would gather.
Every so often, I'd come across an actual explanation instead of a freaking laundry list, which was quite informative indeed.
It wasn't an easy task, but this is what I could glean from their musings:
"I was born a conservative."
- So it's a congenital disease?
Some Dude from Freadom Nation.blogspot: "I don't like the government telling me what to do"
- I gather that he didn't like his English teachers telling him what to do either.
"I want to help the needy – This may seem counter-intuitive, because liberals are typically the ideological group credited with being the compassionate, caring people, albeit with yours and my tax dollars. But, you see, want to help the needy. I don’t want the government to do the job for me. Government cannot adequately help the poor and downtrodden. You and I, however, can and should."
- So, unless he's running some kind of chartable organization (with other people's dollars, no doubt), let's assume that he's a lying sack of shit.
Pat Boone at World Nut Daily says, "By definition, a true conservative seriously wants to conserve, to preserve, that which is precious, valued and necessary to maintain the republic called America.
- Sorry, Pat. Your career is as dead as white buck shoes and Ed Sullivan. It ain't coming back.
And lastly, this guy:
rodneyohebsion. says, "I'm a decent, honest, respectable, hardworking family man who lives in the greatest country in the world: the United States of America. I go to Church on Sundays, I go to work on Mondays through Fridays, and I eat a meat-based dinner with my family as frequently as possible (--sometimes two or three times a day). I drive an American car, I drink American beer, I shoot an American gun, and I enjoy a wide variety of non-gay, non-pornographic, non-Muslim activities such as fishing, praying (to Jesus), barbecuing, skeet shooting, and guarding our borders from a bunch of Mexicans who want to take our jobs, live on our land, and turn our cheeseburgers into quesadillas."
- I was looking at this guy's website and at first I thought that it was a parody. Here are some of his topic titles:
"European Tourists Should Be Banned From America--Unless They Want to Work"
"Real Americans Run Miles--Not Kilometers"
"Liberals Are Like My Ex-Wife"
"Richard Nixon's Diet"
"Elmo is a Communist"
Some funny shit, right? Guess what… He's totally SERIOUS!
I figure that he's a conservative because he's an asshole and a complete moron.
So there you have it, Conservatives are conservative because they're quite simply congenitally deformed, truth deficient, uneducated, greedy, nostalgia addicted assholes who are a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Hope that clears that right up.
They're also bullshitters of the first order, because every single one of them had to jump through an orgy of hoops just to justify all the crap that they believe.
Too bad that they don't realize the fact that that's how they're portraying themselves.
Yuck! OK, now I need a shower.
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