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Posted by Pawel K in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Oct 17th 2007, 09:42 PM
You are trying to justify the deliberate killing of half a million children because people die in third world countries all the time anyway? What the fuck is wrong with you? Can you please wake up from your delusion? I have no clue why its so easy for people like you to dismiss these atrocities because the guy that committed them had a (D) after his name.

Like I said, arrogance is bliss. You are demonstrating this perfectly right now.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0401c.asp


Sanctions wreaked havoc on the Iraqi people, in part because the Pentagon intentionally destroyed Iraq’s water-treatment systems during the first U.S.-Iraq war:

- January 22, 1991, Defense Intelligence Agency report titled “Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities” noted:

Iraq depends on importing specialized equipment and some chemicals to purify its water supply, most of which is heavily mineralized and frequently brackish to saline.... Failing to secure supplies will result in a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population. This could lead to increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease.... Unless the water is purified with chlorine, epidemics of such diseases as cholera, hepatitis, and typhoid could occur.

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George Washington University professor Thomas Nagy, who marshaled the preceding reports in an analysis in the September 2001 issue of The Progressive, concluded, The United States knew it had the capacity to devastate the water treatment system of Iraq. It knew what the consequences would be: increased outbreaks of disease and high rates of child mortality. And it was more concerned about the public relations nightmare for Washington than the actual nightmare that the sanctions created for innocent Iraqis.

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In 1995, a team of doctors (including a representative of the Harvard School of Public Health) visited Iraq under the auspices of the UN Food and Agricultural Organization to examine the nutritional status and mortality rates of young children in Baghdad. They concluded that the sanctions had resulted in the deaths of 567,000 children in the previous five years. (Most subsequent studies implicitly concluded that this study sharply overestimated the mortality toll in the first years of the sanctions.)

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CBS correspondent Lesley Stahl relied on this estimate in 1996 when she asked U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Madeleine Albright:

"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"

Albright answered: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it. "

Albright’s words echoed like thunder through the Arab world in the following years.

The infant/young-child mortality rate in Iraq rose from 50 per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 133 per 1,000 in 2001 (meaning that more than 13 percent of Iraqi children die before the age of five). Iraq had by far the sharpest rise in infant/young-child mortality of any nation in the world during that period, according to UNICEF. Professor Garfield declared,

Sanctions seem to have bolstered Saddam’s domestic popularity. He uses the sanctions to demonize the West and to rally support for his leadership; they have been a convenient scapegoat for internal problems. The rations system he has established in response to the sanctions has tightened his control of Iraqi citizens’ everyday lives, making them totally dependent on the government for mere survival and less likely to challenge his authority for fear of starvation.

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The International Committee of the Red Cross warned in a report in December 1999 that the oil-for-food program “has not halted the collapse of the health system and the deterioration of water supplies, which together pose one of the gravest threats to the health and well-being of the civilian population.” Seventy members of Congress sent a letter to President Clinton in early 2000 denouncing the sanctions as “infanticide masquerading as policy.”


They continued these sanctions throughout the Clinton administration knowing it would kill thousands of children. Even saying it was worth it when confronted with the 500,000 figure. I doubt this will change anything for you, you are a sheep with a (D) after you name. Enjoy your happy life of arrogance.
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Posted by Pawel K in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Thu Oct 04th 2007, 12:13 AM
The next election if Hillary is the nominee you will have a Republican turd or a Democratic douche (thank you south park) running. If you are naive enough to vote for the republican turd (not voting is a R vote) then you have not learned a fucking thing over the last 8 years. Its the exact same bullshit arguments your kind was making in 2000. Look what happened. Would we be in any of this shit if Al Gore was elected president? It was people like you that share blame for where we are right now, but people make mistakes, shit happens, thats all in the past. In the future you need to learn from your mistakes and make absolutely sure you dont repeat them. Skip the hippie pipe dream and vote for the better of the 2. Sure, Hillary might not be able to move us very far forward but at least she won't be moving us a century backwards.

There is so much at stake these next 8 years. Possible war with Iran and Syria. Economy collapse. Radical right wing supreme court nominees again. All these things are very likely to happen with a republican in office. With Hillary all these terrible situations can probably be avoided. Don't be stupid, we can't afford stupidity at such an important time.
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