You said, "And yes, maybe a jerk like Rick Perry will become president because of people like me..." like it means nothing.
I don't think you understand how much many of us have to lose if Perry or another republican becomes president. We can kiss what little LGBT gains we have made goodbye, and can look forward to conservative picks for the Supreme court, just to name a couple of things. Are you paying attention to the GOP field's positions?
What's frustrating is that people on DU dismiss these things as unimportant, when they mean so much in the long run.
Do you think anyone on DU loves the system? I sure don't, but I'm also not naive enough to believe the system can be changed by supporting fringe candidates in order to make a statement. That's a recipe for disaster and a sweep by Republicans. No thanks.
I take offense at you calling people that work their asses off day in and day out to make progressive gains as enablers. There have been gains made over the past three years compared to the prior 8. Look at the department of HHS for one. If you don't see that, I don't know if there's any hope for you. There are strong progressives in Obama's administration and then there are some more conservative leaning people. On balance, I would venture to say that most are center left.
Yes, you can find many positions that are not progressive. But it's intellectually dishonest to deny the progress that has been made.
The world isn't black and white. It never will be. Treating it as such and witholding democratic candidates support because of a corrupt system will not change it. Change will come from within the halls of power. Not from shaking your fist at the one dimensional images that are painted by the TV and the media.
Way back in 1991. It was exciting and eye opening to have my world rocked by reading about Malcolm X, discussing Gregor Samsa and the Metamorphasis, and being shocked by Laud Humphries' the Tearoom Trade study. Then you learn about social darwainism, what really happened during the Reagan era, the wages of poverty and the extreme racial, gender and lgbt inequality in America. I quickly outgrew the small town where I was from and knew there was no turning back. Still, I would never want to unlearn anything, and cover myself with the shroud of ignorance that so many people seem to want to wear forever.
I graduated college with about $5k in debt - nothing compared to what today's graduates are saddled with. I had come out of the closet, become a staunch feminist and card carrying liberal and and felt comfortable with who I was. For people graduating at that time, we were still in a period of recession, though emerging from it. Who knew the Internet boom was just a couple of years away.
I can't imagine what it's like to be a kid today. Hours of homework, nonstop standardized testing and constant attacks on the education system are what they see and hear.
If not for an affordable state university and financial aid for a poor kid like me, I would have traveled down a completely different path. I fear people coming of age today are emerging into a harsh world where a liberal arts education is devalued, and the idea of a social safety net is something to be despised - an anachronism, really.
I don't know where things are heading, but it feels to me that the gas pedal is being pressed to the floor as we head towards ruin and brutality beyond anything experienced in this X'er's lifetime.
I'm listening to his show on Sirius and he's criticizing the CA bill that requires gay rights history be covered in schools.
He just doesn't get it. Our history has been ignored. The gay rights movement is significant and deserves to be included. LGBT kids often feel alone and like there's no one who can understand them. This important legislation addresses that.
Alex's position mimics that of bigoted groups such as NOM and Focus on the Family. It's disappointing that someone who is supposedly on the left is such a bigot and so out of touch. He wonders how we will know if "Thomas Jefferson" was gay. This bill isn't about that at all.
He has a mediocre show to begin with. At least he has shown his true colors.
I miss Bill Press in the mornings.
His administration damaged the nation seemingly beyond repair. It also set us on a course to facilitate the largest wealth transfer from the poor and middle class to the ultra rich in American history.
But his systematic dismantling of the United States would have never occurred as successfully as it did if the people didn't go along with the deal.
I came of age in the 80's and remember that he was a popular figure. Whatever dark hearted evil he brought to the table, millions of Americans ate it up. Of course he wasn't popular with everyone. I imagine it felt to the opposition like it does now with the GOP majority in congress holding our country's bedrock principles hostage - helpless and stunned.
The Supreme Court's gaming of the vote in 2000 set us on a collision course with history. In hindsight, that hideous decision was the straw that broke the camel's back. The logic of our system of government was done away with in an instant. And then 8 years of Bush sealed the deal. And now the right wing majority on the Supreme Court regularly adds fuel to the fire. Last week it legitimized the government funding of religion. And before that, the Citizens United decision removed the restrictions of the the people who have limitless stores of money to use it to manipulate public opinion.
I don't understand the end game of the GOP. If they want the U.S. to become a theocracy, they are doing a fine job of achieving that goal inch by inch.
The brutality of the GOP boggles the mind. They trade in fear, suffering and violence with the utter destruction of the middle class and the poor topping its agenda.
by romanticizing the imperfect men who founded our country. Really?
If the founders thought it or wrote it down, it's okay for all of eternity. They were deities among men.
Our constitution is wonderful, but interpretation must, and has, to evolve with the times.
I believe Brooks is right about people thinking too highly of themselves, but he's tarring Americans with a broad brush. It's not everyone. It was born of a disgraceful movement to discredit the role of government and continues with the narcissistic modern GOP and its tea party offshoot.
It's strange really. They venerate our founding documents, yet despise where these guide posts have gotten us. They are shackled by the chains of time.
But I starting to believe it doesn't most of the time. People seem to come down on one side or the other.
And sometimes, one side can be wrong. The right wing argument about rhetoric not mattering is wrong. From a communications theory perspective it is wrong, and runs counter to a multitude of studies about message amplification by the media. The majority of people who make up the mainstream media are educated. If they've studied communications, they've been exposed to theory.
But they still fan the flames of division, and the cycle repeats itself every day on nearly every news program.
It gets frustrating. In my home, the opinion is so one way or the other when it comes to something like gun control. It's the same set of reasons why gun control is bad. Evidence is either dismissed or discounted, and opinions don't change. When it comes to arguments in my home, I'm no longer going to bother debating. It doesn't end well, and opinions don't change. It turns into a broader circular conversation about politics and how every politician is the same.
It's a fact that the gun and magazine used to kill all of those people was purchased legally. It's also a fact that this type of weapon was banned ten years ago.
Yes, people can still get weapons on the street, but I doubt most people would bother or even know how to find something that's contraband.
It makes me wonder if McCain has any sense of history, or cares about how people will remember him when he's gone. More than any other thing, his stance on DADT damned him to join the group of people who stood in resistance to civil rights and human progress.
Securing civil rights can take a long time in America -- sometimes more than a century-- but we seem to do the right thing more times than not.
And even though he wasn't the only senator who voted against repeal, his face is the one that will go down in the history books as the ringleader.
When future history books are written, McCain will probably be included in the same chapter as this guy:
Taken in Tuscaloosa, Alabama on June 11, 1963, this black and white photograph shows Governor George Wallace attempting to block integration at the University of Alabama outside Foster Auditorium while being confronted by Deputy United States Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), once a voice of optimism for repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, reportedly called Saturday "a very sad day" before the Senate voted to lift the military ban.
"I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will understand that we are doing great damage," said the four-term incumbent before the vote, according to ABC News. "Today is a very sad day."
Most of us get that the critical extension of unemployment benefits was pitted against making sure the beds of the rich were padded. I don't like it, but I can accept and understand it.
What I can not accept and that President Obama and the dems should have used more rhetoric against is reducing the payroll contribution for Social Security. If anything, the income ceiling should have been lifted. But just the opposite happened.
In truth we will all be forced to accept whatever deal comes to the President's desk and he signs. It's sad that the deal as reported initiates the insane RW wet dream of dismantling social security.
But I hope you can appreciate why the stealth Social Security bloodletting matters. It's heartbreaking.
And yes, I agree that principles won't put food in your mouth if you're unemployed and the extension is necessary. Maybe this deal is the best that President Obama could get, like you contend. But deal or no - he doesn't have to go along quietly.
It has nothing to do with the fucked up Bush taxes.
I'm disappointed that the dems as a party didn't raise hell when this piece of shit was put on the table. It just quietly came out of left field, and President Obama says nothing. If there's anything that should unite us as a party, it should be defending social security with every thing that we have.
How did this become part of the "the deal?"
And how f'd up are the republican rank and file that they don't raise hell, either? Are they that stupid? I know that they all can't be flush with retirement money. Check the savings rate for the U.S. We're barely above negative digits.
I give President Obama the benefit of the doubt the vast majority of the time. On this, I can not in good conscience.
If there's anything that would be a winning issue for the President, it would be championing Social Security and using the bully pulpit to tell people to keep their grubby paws off.
I simply don't get it. It both angers and frightens me.
There are lessons to lesson to learn from history repeating itself, but it rarely repeats itself exactly as it happened before.
Your point about how we are expendable got me to thinking about how Hitler promoted the idea of an Aryan race. Perhaps the American version would be a Christo-facsim a la The Handmaid's Tale. Washington's 70 year-old Christian group "The Family" isn't a fiction, and counts people in high places among its adherents.
But to your point, there wouldn't even need to be something like that. The wealthy have concentrated power to the degree of where they only need any human blood, sweat and tears to keep it all propped up. In our global economy, it doesn't matter where the labor comes from as long as it feeds the beast and results in the accumulation of more power. And the powerful will never be satisfied, because the nature of power is that you never have enough.
It's obscene the the average annual salary for the people at the top on Wall Street is $2bn dollars a year. That's two thousand million. The money is made off the backs of people who are kept on a short leash using fear and engineered division. We're so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we don't notice what's nakedly going on in front of us.
spoken by the greatest president of all time, FDR.
I draw strength from all of liberals who came before us who faced ridicule and impossible odds fighting the system. And you know what? They prevailed in so many ways. It took decades, but social justice wins in the end. There is much to be done. The struggle will always be there.
And if what you write about were to come to pass, we would be put in a position of where we have no more to lose. There are millions of good people out there, and you would see an uprising that puts the tea party movement, contract with america, christian right, etc. to shame.
The American spirit does exist, no matter how imperfect it is sometimes. The idea at the heart of the formation of America endures. We the people, in order to form a more perfect union... right on! Yes we f'in can.
and drunk on his own celebrity. He built his fame by appealing to the worst elements of our society.
In a way, it's terrifying that something like this is happening in 2010. And on the other hand, it's not a surprise at all. The bigots in society feel free to spew their hate and mock perhaps one of the most important movements in American history.
My hope is that something this provocative will remove the scales from the eyes of people to reveal how destructive a force Fox news and it's water bearers are. Clearly, some people have been waiting for a moment like this to express their true natures. I won't be holding my breath, though.
Perhaps this naked display of hate of equality will be the crescendo. Maybe it will be a dud. Or maybe pissing so boldly on such an important event in our history will mark something more sinister that's yet to come.
On edit - I agree with Gene Robinson and glad his quote is getting posted so widely. It's great to hear voices of reason during this time of insanity.
But many of the delegates and others and the party do have a liberal streak, but they seem to get drowned out by the ongoing chorus of the leadership falling all over themselves to appease the right.
As I was reading your post I began to realize how weary I am of the ongoing demonization of the left and liberals. I firmly believe that liberals have been the catalyst for every or nearly all of the social improvements for Americans. Indeed, it's unlikely that humanity would have progressed past the dark ages if not for liberal thought and action.
I support President Obama, but his centrist views are often anything but. Just because you propose or support something that's half-assed, it doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do. For example, Pres. Obama's support for civil unions but not marriage for LGBT folk. The centrist position here is absolutely antithetical for true equality, and it perpetuates the idea that we gays are "the other."
If I could, I would tell him that it shouldn't be up to anyone who I choose to marry. And if he doesn't support my pursuit of happiness, then, please, Mr. President, just be quiet and don't add fuel to the bigot fire.
The people who perpetuated this injustice are evil through and through. There is no other explanation or excuse.
We need legislation NOW to project GLUT families. The President's memo and the hate crimes legislation were good starts, but there needs to be more.
It makes me cry that these two men who were committed to one another were kept apart by the state. I am also red with anger.
I have never met the "civil servants" and hospital staff who caused this to happen -- but I hate them to their very core and wish them nothing but pain for the rest of their lives. May they experience the same lack of compassion that they showed to this couple.
How is this different from a hate crime? The pain runs deeper and is more devastating than the most severe physical violence.
On edit - Sonoma county will never see a dime from me. Beautiful Russian river is in Sonoma and one of my favorite places in Calif., but it's not worth it to have even a penny of sales tax, hotel tax, etc. that I would spend there go to this fucked up county. And if I need to pass through when traveling somewhere else, I will go to their county courthouse and spit on it.
If you've ever gone through the fear of having your loved one in the hospital as I have, you will not understand the sheer terror of the prospect of the hospital admin or their family not letting you back to see them or care for them.
My partner was in an accident in Georgia and rushed to the hospital. I was terrified that I would get the run around in this backward state or be asked to not be in his room at night to help care for him. Luckily his brother said it was OK that I be there. So can you imagine how horrific it would be if your partner was unconscious or dying and you would be denied seeing him or her? Or if their family stopped you from being at their side? This type of cruelty happens all too frequently.
So fuck the naysayers on this thread. I don't think any them know what they're talking about or they're just always negative.
There will be a powerful enforcement of the new rules, or hospitals will be sanctioned for not following the medicare/medicaid regulations.
I don't know where you live or your relationship status, but I am suspicious of anyone who would kick sand in the eye of progress, no matter how "token" it may be. And you are mistaken about the line many are quoting from the memo about the new rule that will go on the books not being enforceable. The memo is correct in saying that a memorandum can not be enforced. But the rule change to medicare and medicaid will certainly be enforced.
President Obama has started the ball rolling for a tremendous gift to most of us - GLBT, unmarried couples, friends, etc.
I'm just so livid reading some of these replies. If you don't like this "token" or it is beneath you, please, don't take advantage of it.
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