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Robyn66's Journal
Posted by Robyn66 in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Tue Jun 03rd 2008, 10:29 AM I have been giving this a lot of thought over the last couple of weeks because I cannot wrap my head around Democratic women being willing to throw hard won rights away, voting for someone only because she is a woman or demonstrating a terrible stereotype about women being so self absorbed we cannot see past our own vanity that we put our personal preference for a candidate before what is best for our country. I am sure there are some women like that, but the number is very small.
I think what has come in to play is Operation Chaos. It’s funny to me that we haven't seen any organized group of women from the Limbaugh crowd (that I have heard of anyway) protesting that Hillary belongs home baking cookies or any other "typical" conservative nonsense. It all ads up when you have someone like Anne (gag) Coulter who has said previously women should not have the right to even vote. You would think she would be lead pitch fork bearer on a woman running for President! But instead she is a Hillary supporter (interesting). Couple that with big Hillary fan Pat Buchanan and then Limbaugh promoting Operation Chaos and I think it’s really all there. Especially when for years this same group of people has been saying that Hillary is their DREAM candidate because she will unite the Republican Party. Operation Chaos would be enough people to skew polls of Hillary supporters saying they won’t support Obama in November, and provide enough cross over votes for some of the closer primary races. Plus they got the added bonus of being able to express and hide their racism in the Democratic Party as rabid Hillary supporters who scream something like Barak is an "inadequate black man" (not sure if that is the exact wording). Let’s face it; Hillary does not want women to lose the right to choose, or any of the other terrible things that will happen if McCain gets in. And anyone who really supports Hillary or knows her record would feel the same way. True Hillary supporters are going to work like hell to get a Democrat in the Whitehouse because they are intelligent people just like most Democrats are. Do I think there are some bitter and disappointed Hillary supporters right now, yes I do. It is very disappointing for someone you believe in strongly to lose. I was heartbroken when John Edwards dropped out. But do I think the true Hillary supporters will unite with the party in November? Absolutely I do. I think we need to recognize what we are seeing. I think most people have a gut feeling about who the real Democrats are. If you are going to vote for McCain then you aren’t a Democrat. There is nothing anyone on a message board can do to stop you. I suggest that we recognize the Operation Chaos Agents for what they are and refuse to respond to the blatantly inflammatory posts. The people who personally attack Barak and his family are only doing it for a reaction. You aren’t going to make them mad by responding but they are getting a lot of entertainment from reading your responses. Just my opinion, take it for what its worth. I am glad this is almost over! Posted by Robyn66 in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Thu May 22nd 2008, 09:16 AM There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity, it is the middle ground between light, and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area we call The Hillary Zone.
Picture if you will, the morning of August 24, 2008 in Denver Colorado, the first day of the of the Democratic National Convention. But to a physically and emotionally exhausted Hillary Rodham Clinton this is jus another hotel room in another city in this endless meat grinder of a campaign she is waking up in. And this campaign is just beginning. She had been looking forward to this convention for a long time though. All of the blood sweat and sacrifice had been worth it. And this campaign had been bloody. Hillary reached for the phone and called for room service and ordered her coffee and paper which was not in her room already for some unknown reason this morning. She decided to put on CNN this morning, almost dreading what she would see. More American’s dead in Iraq, more people losing their homes, gas prices higher by the day. Her only consolation being that she was confident things would be different now. After the election life would be very different with a Democratic majority in both houses and a Democratic President. Maybe she would call Barak later this morning. Ever since they had worked out that pesky math issue, they had resolved to put their differences behind them. And although it was true that the campaigns had become too bloody to entertain Vice President there was definitely the possibility of a cabinet position. The one thing both of them were strongly committed to was bringing the country together to beat the Republicans in the fall. The day was a dizzying rush of phone calls and press conferences. “Yes, both Barak and I are so happy that this has been resolved is such a mutually satisfying way. The meetings scheduled earlier today are merely a formality to go over our strategy going forward.” The night of the convention finally arrives and the excitement in the air is palpable. This has been the best possible resolution. No protester no more anger, just unity in the face of the most important election of our generation. Hillary, Bill briefly see Barak and Michelle and wave warmly to each other. Barak motions that they are going to wait back stage for their entrance that Hillary knew was choreographed by the DNC to show the new united front the Clintons and Obama’s were going to demonstrate to the Democratic Party and the world. Hillary turned to take Bill’s arm and go back stage but he had disappeared. It took her about fifteen minutes to finally find him giving an interview with a reporter fro Arkansas who he didn’t feel right about putting off. Hillary hissed in his ear that after the sacrifice and hard work she did not intend to be late for this announcement. The Secret Service hustled them through the crowds of press and campaign staff members, and they made it back stage just in time to hear Howard Dean making his introductory speech. He spoke of this campaign walking the edge of a knife and threatening to divide the party. He spoke of the rules committee and their agony over Michigan and Florida and keeping the integrity of the process in tact. They also heard arguments about the validity of caucus states and delegate counts. He went on to say that “Hillary and Barak in the end had shown their integrity, love for the country and their appreciation for the facts to decide between themselves who should step aside.” “As much as we value their team work and their example of how the Democratic Party should work the Rules Committee met and decided that the voters of Florida and Michigan were in fact being disenfranchised and the logic behind caucus states was flawed at best.” Hillary felt a knot in her stomach. This was completely different from what was discussed. She had been resolved. This threatened to open up old wounds that had been healed through much work and compromise. Dean went on to say “We also took into account who won states like Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky. These are traditionally Red States and we will need them in the fall. So really the number of states isn’t as important as which states they are. We need to appeal to those voting blocks in order to ensure a win in November.” Hillary couldn’t even look across the stage at the Obama’s. “So after much consideration and discussion, we have decided that the Democratic nominee for President should be BARAK OBAMA!” Hillary gasped as she woke and almost jumped out of bed. She looked at the calendar, it was still May. Her heart was pounding in her chest, she realized “Maybe I would feel differently if this were the other way around.” Posted by Robyn66 in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Wed May 21st 2008, 01:41 PM I am a white middle class woman in her 40’s. I think I am supposed to be part of Hillary’s base. But for some reason I am an Obama supporter. I wonder why that is? Maybe my college degree is what disqualifies me.
All I know is that every day I am becoming angrier and angrier, not at Hillary wanting to complete the Primary process, but at the possibility that she will keep this fight up after the Primaries are over, and at her supporters who are saying they will vote for McCain or not at all when she isn’t the nominee. Just for a moment dear Hillary supporters, take all of your arguments and substitute the name Barak Obama for Hillary Clinton and see if you would agree. Imagine Hillary in Obama’s position, and Obama in Hillary’s. How would you feel if Obama were playing number games and saying it would be perfectly alright for the nomination to be given to him over her after she won the majority of the delegates and if she won the majority of the states. If you can try and have one moment of rational understanding I beg you to try and look at it from our point of view and understand why we want this process over so that the entire party can start concentrating on beating McCain in the fall. If the Hillary supporters stay home or vote for McCain because she isn’t the nominee or in the vp slot and McCain wins, Roe v Wade WILL be overturned. McCain has pledged to do that. Just take a look at his own words from: http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McC... Abortion issue shows what kind of country we are Q: Some people argue that, in the general election, the most important issue is going to be national security, and an issue like abortion should be de-emphasized. Do you agree with that? A: I think the respect and commitment to the rights of the unborn is something I've fought for, and it has a lot to do with national security. Because it says very much what kind of a country we are and our respect for human life, whether it be here in the US or anyplace else in the world. So I think it is connected. Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007 Q: In 1999, you said, "In the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X number of women in American to undergo illegal and dangerous operations." A: That was in the context of conversation about having to change the culture of America as regards to this issue. I have stated time after time after time that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, that I support the rights of the unborn. That is only one issue. Then there are the Bush tax cuts he used to be against but now is for and the endless Iraq war and the steady slogging toward a war with Iran. I wouldn’t want to have all of that blood on my hands. But understand clearly that if you stay home or vote for McCain, you will have the blood on your hands of every woman who dies in a botched abortion or in the escalation of this war or in the start of any new one. Is that a price you are willing to have other Americans pay for your vanity? No to mention how bad it makes women in general look if you get angry and take your ball and go home because you won’t vote for anyone but a woman for president. I half way think that even after Hillary comes to terms with what is happening and finally endorses Obama, if her word is good and she campaigns for him in the GE many will still not vote for him. Wake Up and Grow Up! This isn’t a game. This isn’t about 2012. This is about 2008. Either of these candidates would make a good president and I would support either one. If Hillary were the nominee I would vote for her, but she isn’t going to be and the longer she and her supporters play this numbers game the more its going to hurt the party, but even worse the Hillary supporters are going to hurt the American even more by refusing to participate in the process and support the Democratic party. If you can live with that then just become a Republican and be done with it. |
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