I tried to find a chart that extrapolated annual income to 2010 values, but failed. anyone know where to find one?
I wanted to know what $39,258 in 2011 annual income would equal in 1971 dollars
these from :
Cost of Living 1961
How Much things cost in 1961
Yearly Inflation Rate USA 1.07%
Yearly Inflation Rate UK 2.9%
Average Cost of new house $12,500.00
Average Income per year $5,315.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas 27 cents
Average Cost of a new car $2,850.00
Bacon for 1LB 67 cents
Eggs per dozen 30 cents
Below are some Prices for UK Pounds Sterling
Average House Price 2,770
Cost of Living 1971
How Much things cost in 1971
Yearly Inflation Rate USA 4.3%
Yearly Inflation Rate UK 8.6%
Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 890
Average Cost of new house $25,250.00
Average Income per year $10,600.00
Average Monthly Rent $150.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas 40 cents
Datsun 1200 Sports Coupe $1,866.00
United States postage Stamp 8 cents
Ladies 2 piece knit suites $9.98
Movie Ticket $1.50
Cost of Living 1981
How Much things cost in 1981
Yearly Inflation Rate USA10.35%
Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 875
Interest Rates Year End Federal Reserve 15.75%
Average Cost of new house $78,200.00
Average Income per year $21,050.00
Average Monthly Rent $315.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas $1.25
Sinclair ZX80 $199.95
19 inch Color TV $399.95
Cost of Living 1991
How Much things cost in 1991
Yearly Inflation Rate USA4.25%
Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 3168
Interest Rates Year End Federal Reserve 6.50%
Average Cost of new house $120,000.00
Average Income per year $29,430.00
Average Monthly Rent $495.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas $1.12
1 LB of Bacon $1.95
Dozen Eggs 85 cents
Cost of Living 2001
How Much things cost in 2001
Average Cost of new house $136,150.00
Average Median Income $42,350.00
Average Monthly Rent $715.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas $1.46
Average cost of new car $25,850.00
US Postage Stamp 34 cents
1 LB of Bacon $3.22
Ground Coffee per IB $3.06
Loaf of Bread $1.82
Dozen Eggs 90 cents
Cost of Living 2010
How Much things cost in 2010
Average Cost of new house $232,880.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas $2.73
US Postage Stamp 44 cents
Dozen Eggs $1.37
Loaf of Bread $2.49
Price Of Gold Per Ounce ( August 27th 2010 ) $1,237.00
Price Barrel Of Oil ( August 2010 ) $73.00 per barrel
Middle Class status was a blip...an aberration, a cultural iconic status that was well-hyped, and actually achieved by very few.
A look at American life in the rear view mirror is helpful in understanding it.
Prior to our entry into WWII, MOST people lived in a rich-poor USA. People in big cities lived crammed into small apartments (often over Mom& Pop) businesses that barely covered expenses, or in run-down tenement buildings.
Rural/small-town people lived a hand-to-mouth existence, and worked dawn to dusk...usually in very small ramshackle places.
The country was mired in depression/post depression angst, with men roaming the country looking for work, and families loading up what little they had into anything they could move, just to try their luck somewhere else. Jobs were scarce, and when found, paid little. The only "un-rich" who had credit were the ones who "owed their soul to the company-store".
WWII swooped up most of the men and sent them abroad, which immediately created millions of "job openings".
It's no surprise that an eager female workforce snapped up those jobs, and gave us pretty much "full employment".
Post-WWII (only a 6 yr span from start to finish), brought back the men (and displaced most of the women) and with those men, an eagerness to make up for lost time. It's also important to remember that most of the rest of the world's production capacity was thrashed, so we were poised to shoot right to the top of the heap, and we did.
The timeline from 1950 (when most of the ones in the GI Bill had finished college) to the mid-60's, created millions of new families who truly needed everything. The generation born after the war would be living AWAY from the "family homes". Until after the war , it was not unusual for families to be in multi-generational living arrangements.
A look at old census records showed me that at one time in the late 20's, my grandparents lived at an address that also housed 2 brothers, their wives and children and 3 elderly parents. As a kid I rode bikes & roller-skated past that old house many times, never even knowing the history of that place, or that once upon a time, my ancestors jammed so many people into that 4 bedroom house.
Post WWII vets had earned the right to have their own place, and took advantage of the opportunity.
Movies, magazines & later TV, showed us all what "middle class" was supposed to be, and Madison Avenue was happy to oblige.
As the only exporter of "stuff", and a country with tremendous pent-up demand for all the goods & services that people had been denied by first the Depression and later the war, it's no surprise that we boomed.
Even in the midst of "middle class", it never really was what we had all been sold, because the seeds of destruction had already been planted. There were many children, who would soon be fighting each other for jobs that would start disappearing as they aged.
People who had never dreamed that they would own a home, were able to buy that house & have a car and take a vacation now and then, and even save some money, but behind the scenes, business was already trying to find ways to eliminate expenses, and with them , jobs.
As a child of the 50's, it was rare to find ANYTHING in stores that was not "made in the USA". Occasionally we would run across something that said "Made in occupied Japan", and a little later, just "Made in Japan", but that stuff did not sell well to people who had recently been at war with Japan.
Business is all about profit, and every penny saved on wages & benefits, is a penny in the pockets of the ones in charge.
The children of WWII vets & their wives never experienced the Depression, and had only ever known plenty, so it should come as no surprise, that this generation would not be as frugal as their parents' & grandparents' generations had been...especially after a young-lifetime of being indulged by parents who felt lucky to have survived the war and who had so much more than many of them had ever expected to have.
This era also ushered in (in a big way) cheap throw-away stuff. It was suddenly possible (even preferred) to buy single use "stuff". Where people used to hang onto things and repair them over and over, and then dismantle them for parts for the "next one", now those items were just tossed out and a new one bought to replace it. Repair shops faded away...and with them, a family income went as well.
For 169 years (1776-1945), America was rich v poor, with very little in the middle, and in a 6 year period, we "created" Middle Class". By the time the 1970's rolled around, "Middle Class" was getting a little ragged around the edges, and starting to be less achievable by more and more people.
Credit cards replaced wage-increases necessary to maintain the standard of living that most people now felt entitled to, and as the rest of the world needed less of what we "made", it was no surprise that jobs and the benefits that came with those jobs, would start to decline in number. The technology boom also made whole swaths of "the economy" outdated and non-existent. The problem though, is that there were people....real people...still attached to those segments of vanished job markets. Those people had/have families, and expenses.
The union movement (earned at great cost decades earlier) was becoming "unnecessary" because there were just so many Boomers to fill a shrinking number of jobs, and mechanization was marching along to eliminate more jobs.
Decades of bad legislation and sweetheart deals made in back rooms, have sold us all out, and the need to rely on credit for so many, have undone millions of families.
Recession after recession , with an aggravating regularity, coupled with recurring bouts of massive fraud and the following taxpayer bail-outs , has dealt the Middle Class a pretty shitty hand, and there are no more Aces in the deck.
We may be soon returning to the way of life we had for most of our nation's "life"....a hand-to-mouth, unsure way of living...We had a blip of about 30 years of what most would call "Middle Class" (mostly for the people born in the early-1930's) , and now it's ending, and we're headed back to what we always were..rich v poor, with most of us scrambling for the scraps. We may have better quality scraps these days, but they are still scraps..
ALL interest used to be deductible even if you did not itemize
There used to be a renter's deduction too
Social Security income used to be NON-taxable
Interest on a CD was 14.78% in 1981
Regular ole savings accounts used to pay 3-5% interest
(to be fair though, you did have to put down 20-30% to get a home loan and you DID have to meet with the "loan committee" before you were approved)
Banks had people who would CALL you if it looked like you MIGHT overdraw your account..so you could come down & make a deposit.
Banks used to give stuff away to get you to open a checking account..which was also FREE.. stuff like toaster ovens, blenders, toasters, luggage, cookware, dishes
Gas stations used to also give away stuff...like decks of cards, glassware, toy truck with their logos
Corporations used to GIVE you stuff with their logo in exchange for the free-advertising.
You could have a phone in your home for under $10 a month, and if it broke, they would replace it for FREE.
You could work part time during school, and then in the summers & had enough money to pay for college.
There used to be a 10% Luxury Tax (yup..just like in Monopoly) on furs, jewelry, leather goods, etc...even on costume jewelry & scarves
Drug stores used to deliver your meds..for free
Even small towns had several radio stations..all independently owned
please add your favorite "used-to-be"s
with a short stay in the Edwardian Era
Women are having rights stripped away right and left, and we are experiencing a severe re-stratification of status groups.
The Victorian era of the United Kingdom was the period of Queen Victoria's reign from June 1837 until her death on 22 January 1901.<1> The reign was a long period of prosperity for the British people, as a result of profits gained from the British Empire, as well as from industrial improvements at home. Some scholars extend the beginning of the period—as defined by a variety of sensibilities and political games that have come to be associated with the Victorians—back five years to the passage of the Reform Act 1832.
The era was preceded by the Georgian period and succeeded by the Edwardian period. The latter half of the Victorian era roughly coincided with the first portion of the Belle Époque era of continental Europe and the Gilded Age of the United States.
The status of Women in the Victorian Era is often seen as an illustration of the striking discrepancy between England's national power and wealth and what many, then and now, consider its appalling social conditions. During the Era symbolized by the reign of British monarch Queen Victoria, difficulties escalated for women because of the vision of the "ideal women" shared by most in the society. The legal rights of married women were similar to those of children. They could not vote, sue, or own property. Also, they were seen as pure and clean. Because of this view, their bodies were seen as temples that should not be adorned with makeup nor used for such pleasurable things as sex. The role of women was to have children and tend the house. They could not hold a job unless it was that of a teacher, nor were they allowed to have their own checking accounts or savings accounts. They were to be treated as saints, but saints that had no legal rights.
Socially, the Edwardian era was a period during which the British class system was very rigid. It is seen as the last period of the English country house.
The lower classes, as with earlier periods, were segregated from the aristocratic and mercantile "society", and led lives far removed from the relative luxury enjoyed by the other classes.
Workers are being stripped of the very things that make life worthwhile.
Doctors are a luxury for too many people
Dental care/vision care/mental health care is even more of a luxury
People are being asked to work harder for less and less
The Lords & Serfs Society is what we are headed back to.
The rest of the world is marching forward, and we are retreating.
We have ( as a society) decided that it's okay if:
only rich kids get a decent education
only rich people deserve heat
only rich people deserve to buy a home
only rich people deserve a dignified old age
poor people eat at soup kitchens
poor people sleep outdoors
poor people work for little or nothing
poor people have nothing to live on in their old age
poor people's kids have shitty educations
The rest of the top-tier nations invest in their future with underground rail, high speed rail, solar, wind power, etc, and we cling to our rickety rail system from the 1800's and our crumbling bridges from the 1900's. We throw sand & asphalt into potholes & wonder why our highway system is getting worse & worse.
A phrase we often hear, but rarely heed.
A few minutes ago, I watched the HRC clip where she practically giggled as she commented on how "we have been telling Mubarek for THIRTY YEARS, that he needed a vice president...and now he appointed one."
Thirty years is a very long time..
Time (a shorter amount, but still important) affected the way our new health care plan wound its way through congress and the national psyche. More time, less benefits. More time, more dissent..more time, more republicans in congress.
We see it in Iraq and in Afghanistan., just like we saw it in Viet Nam. More time..more deaths, more disgraces, more hard feelings to mend later.
Time is of the essence to people who are spending their last unemployment check, as they see no options for work anytime soon, yet our vice president says "hang in there".
Time is our enemy when we are desperate to finally be 16 (to drive), then 18 (to vote), then 21 (to drink legally).
Time is our friend when we are growing a baby (no one wants a premature baby), but becomes an enemy again as our toddlers turn into kids and then adults.
We always want more time, but most of us waste it and then look back wishing we could get it back..we just want to add the wasted years onto the precious few we have at the end of life.
Time wasted cannot be "made up".
The fact that we wasted THIRTY YEARS placating a leader who obviously had no intention of paying the least bit of attention to us, should have sent us a gigantic signal.
To continue to give him "time" to correct thirty years' worth of bad leadership, is a fool's mission.
It is time to look to the changes that have to happen, and that should have happened decades ago. The people of Egypt are the new timekeepers, and they are telling us all that time has expired..
As hard as the media is trying to spin this, millions of people just cannot be totally "wrong".
Years ago a doctor told me about something he was taught in medical school.. He was told to remember that when you hear hoofbeats, it's probably horses..not zebras (unless you are in Africa). It was the professor's way of telling these young med students to trust their instincts and to look for the obvious FIRST...rule it in or out, and then go looking for zebras.
And on Who Wants to Be as Millionaire, the knowledge of the group was usually right on the money. Phone a friend made you hope your friend was smarter than you, but the combined wisdom of the group was better.
Also on Jeopardy, usually the first thing that pops into your head is the right answer (or question, in the case of Jeopardy)
We (the public) are smarter than the average bear (a toss to us oldies) and within milliseconds of hearing about the shootings, we immediately had teabag/republican venom on our minds...followed by the ever-right-friendly press' depiction of their violence-inducing tactics, as "funny, silly, exciting, grassrootsy, etc")..
We are now being dragged kicking & screaming on a search for zebras & aardvarks & capybaras & lemurs..
If you look back in history, as painful as it can be, you can see that we used to at least have a pattern .
Kennedy was shot, a suspect was apprehended, and even though millions of people will never really accept the eventual "explanation", we at least saw a public effort made to settle the issue.
The same for Bobby's murder..a trial was held and a man is doing life.
MLK's death also was "paid for" (again there was controversy, but we'll never really know)
Nixon's crimes were paid for by forcing him from office.
The Savings & Loan Swindles sent many wheeler-dealers to prison, and brought some political careers to an end.
We even saw a democratic leader sent to prison for issues largely revolving around postage stamps.
There was a right and there was a wrong...and wrong brought consequences.
There was no internet then, and only 3 tv networks, and even in that primitive news era, we managed to exact a certain amount of justice..justice that "the people" seemed satisfied with.
The "bad guys" got their just desserts, so we could all go on with our daily lives, and not have to worry.
Then we started to see that change.... The "weasel" era had begun.. Crafty politicians created more and more clever loopholes that allowed big shots to prosper, at the expense of the everyday-person. There seemed to be no respite for most of us. No justice.. A kid gets caught with some weed, and he's going away for a long time..a "fatcat" steals millions & gets a slap on the wrist, a fine and a suspended sentence or at most a few months at Club Fed.
Rules get made that remove guaranteed pensions & divert money into 401-ks that are used as table stakes for wall street wunderkind-gamblers.. They walk away rich, and the rest of us just walk away..emptyhanded.
Property taxes keep going up, and yet schools keep getting worse
Property values end up manipulated and the only real asset most people had, ends up worth less than many owe, and are even unsellable in a shitty market, just as millions of people prepared to downsize & retire.
College is out of reach financially for millions and the ones who do go, end up hopelessly in debt and unable to find jobs that pay enough to pay the damned debt off.
Big-spending politicians have a sky's the limit attitude when it comes to defense spending and pork for their own districts & states and look to Welfare, Medicare, Social Security & Medicaid as a place to "find money" to close the gap they created.
People are losing health care or the ability to afford health care, and of course the chemical-laden world we live in is making health issues more dangerous than ever. People who have health care (even if they cannot afford it) are often tethered to jobs they hate, but dare not leave.
There is a LOT of edginess & unhappiness in the country. Kids grow up with edgy parents, too tired to do much parenting. Kids feel the pressures in school from edgy teachers and edgy fellow students.
Mental health issues plague most families, for at least a few members, but in the day of computers, many may fear getting treatment, even if they can afford it. (There's that thing about "your permanent record").
What a lot of people do not realize about mental health care is this...it takes a LONG time to "fix" problems, and often there are problems that cannot be fixed...only learned to live with. That takes a support system that is sorely lacking.
Every few years people all over the country put their hopes & fears into the people they elect. They hope & expect that these people will make things better...or at least not make them worse..
We have been losing for a very long time, and it's mentally damaging..to all of us.
They are all over tv telling everyone that..they do it with sad faces, frowny faces, serious faces, straight faces.
Having said that, the next rule is that dems must go first... because dems always have to toe the line set in the sand by republicans... and once that toe is on the line, they must bend down to make sure it is on the line..
while their face is next to the line, the republicans laugh, kick sand in their faces & run away singing "Gotcha again, suckah"...
Media reports about how generous republicans are by offering such sage advice and comment on how dems are reluctantly stepping up to the line.. they are complaining about having sand or something in their eyes, so they are not at the line yet..
These (and others) are phrases used by dems during an election.. Of course a republican (Neal Boortz) claims to be angry at hearing these words uttered by Obama, but the facts show something different
Dems did not yell "KILL HIM" or "TRAITOR" when McCain's name was mentioned
Dems did not invade republican town hall meetings & shout down the speakers or storm the stage
Dems did not intimidate attendees by wearing/carrying guns & signs that threatened gun violence
I don't think any Dem stepped on a republican head
there may have been a few scuffles ( Franken was involved in one ..),
Bullets ..real bullets have maimed & killed real people on the "left".. The righties may have had mussed hair & a wrinkled shirt here and there, but I don't think any of them fear being hunted/stalked, shot & killed by any of "ours"..
Just a reminder that the "target" is not only congresspeople
Report: Unprecedented Number Of Death Threats Against Obama -- And Secret Service Overwhelmed
Jillian Rayfield | October 19, 2009, 6:00PM
The Boston Globe reports that a new internal Congressional Research Service report and government sources say there are an unprecedented number of death threats against President Obama -- and that the Secret Service is insufficiently funded and staffed to deal with them.
According to The Globe, a report issued by the Congressional Research Service shows that the Secret Service is investigating more threats against government officials than ever before, and questions whether the 144-year old agency should continue probing financial crimes, as was its original mandate. In total, the Secret Service regularly protects 32 people and arranges security for high-profile events. But the election of Barack Obama has increased threats against the president's life by 400 percent from his predecessor, according to "In the President's Secret Service," Ronald Kessler's account of presidential security. The Secret Service has looked into a number of race-based threats since Obama took office, and a Facebook poll that asked "Should Obama be killed?" President Obama also had a Secret Service detail 18 months before the election, the earliest of any Presidential candidate.
The Southern Poverty Law Center issued a report back in August that found that the number of white supremacist militia groups has spiked by 35% since 2000. The Secret Service has, in turn, increased its employees from 6,700 two years ago to a projected 7,055 in the coming fiscal year, almost entirely devoted to protecting national leaders. But that's a staff increase of just 5.3 percent -- nowhere near the 400 percent increase in threats to the president's life.
and this from AUG 2009
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-06-09 07:06 AM
Just in case people forgot- "Secret Service blamed Palin for sudden spike in Obama death threats"
She was just a "Johnny-etta Appleseed", planting saplings back then, but the trees are bearing fruit now. The orchard-owners have sent their tenders out into the field now to spread the message.
Obama's "other-ness" is now a part of almost every newscast, and in every edition of just about every paper & magazine. It may be the birthers, the "he's a socialist", rank & file republicans, or just the millions of "low-information" voters (aka Idiots), but once the monster's out, it's awfully hard to get him back into the cage..
Secret Service blamed Palin for sudden spike in Obama death threats
By David Neiwert Sunday Nov 09, 2008 12:00pm
All of the talk about the special Newsweek report describing the backstage events in this year's presidential campaign has focused on various revelations about Sarah Palin's astonishing lack of knowledge about global and national affairs, as well as her spending sprees.
But this passage seemed at least as significant, if not more so:
The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that many crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" Michelle asked a top campaign aide.
Tim Shipman at the Telegraph (UK) has more:
an ELEPHANT..with a big mouth, a gun, a well-worn Bible, and an unused dictionary/thesaurus
She's a bit of a muse for her friend the photographer.. not hard to see why
This encyclopedia is complied by a former Gore campaign advisor.. It's also got many other great entries.. a good resource
The United States dominated world oil production in the first half of the twentieth century. U.S. fields accounted for slightly more than 70 percent of world oil production in 1925, around 63 percent in 1941, and over 50 percent in 1950. The U.S. oil industry operated in a unique regulatory environment that included a permissive legal regime, generous tax treatment, and a cooperative system of national production control centered on the state of Texas, which accounted for almost half of total U.S. production. During the Great Depression, the federal government, several state governments, and the oil companies worked out a control system that placed a ceiling on total output and allocated production so that marginal producers could survive in the face of considerable excess capacity. Although Texas authorities refused to require producers to pool their extractive activities in each oil field, thereby allowing wasteful extractive processes to continue, the system allowed high-cost marginal wells to continue to produce, thus preserving lower-cost fields for future use. Higher prices also somewhat reduced consumption. With the Texas Railroad Commission as a balance wheel, the system remained in place until the early 1970s, when domestic production alone could no longer fill national demand.
Cheap and plentiful supplies of oil were a prerequisite for the automobile industry, which played a central role in the U.S. economy from the 1920s to the 1960s. Oil became the fuel of choice in land and sea transport as well as the only fuel for air transport, and challenged coal as the main source of energy for industry. Oil also played an important, if somewhat less crucial, role in heating and electricity generation, but oil-powered machinery became crucial to modern agriculture, and oil became an important feedstock for fertilizers and pesticides. Indeed, with the development of the petrochemical industry, oil reached into almost every area of modern life. Already almost one-fifth of U.S. energy consumption by 1925, oil accounted for around one-third of U.S. energy use by World War II. Outside the United States, in contrast, oil was a secondary fuel reserved mainly for transportation and military uses and accounted for less than 10 percent of energy consumption in western Europe and Japan before World War II.
The United States entered World War II with a surplus production capacity of over one million barrels per day, almost one-third of U.S. production in 1941. This margin enabled the United States, almost single-handedly, to fuel not only its own war effort but that of its Allies, once the logistics of transporting the oil safely across the Atlantic had been mastered. In addition, U.S. leadership in oil-refining technology provided the U.S. military with such advantages as 100-octane aviation gasoline and specialty lubricants needed for high performance aircraft engines.
The buzz in the media recently is all about how EVERYONE has to "share the pain".
I maintain that the middle-classers & the ones who have been trying to work their way UP to middle class, have already prepaid their share of the pain.
A simple look into history shows us that this group has been the ones who have already lost the most.
In 40 years, we have seen things improve very little and many times, people have lost ground.
We have seen "good" jobs leave forever
We have seen jobs that used to be available for non-college graduates all but disappear
We have seen plastic, high-interest credit cards substituted for pay raises
We have seen the 2-3 yr car loans vanish, in favor of 6-7 year loans
We have seen affordable homes turn into unaffordable homes that lured scammers, who got rich off their frauds
We have seen one after another "oopsie" that demanded more tax-funded bailouts of the already-rich
We now have Moms FORCED into the workforce, whether they want to work outside the home or not
We have Moms, Dads & Grandparents eagerly grabbing up jobs that used to be reserved for teenagers starting their first jobs
We have seen our communities gutted, as Walmarts & other Big Box companies swooped in to sell us plastic crap made by 3rd world 9 yr olds paid pennies a day
We have seen defined benefit pensions morph into defined contribution pensions, into 401-ks, and then stolen by rich people, gambling with computers!
We have seen a steady assault on unions, once 30%, now about 7%
We have seen schools & infrastructure crumble because our tax dollars have not been used to maintain what we have, let alone plan for the future
We have seen college (now almost mandatory) become more and more UNaffordable for all but the very rich.
We have seen medical care become almost an unaffordable luxury item for many families
We have seen employer-paid insurance become employer-"assisted" , and in some cases, employer "provided-but-you-pay-for-it".
We have seen savings interest shrink to the point that a "jumbo CD" now boasts about 1.9% interest.
We have seen "company towns" that existed for 100 yrs or longer, emptied out as one state cannibalized the workforces of other states, only to then off-shore entirely...devastating yet another local workforce.
During all these "sacrifices" and all this "shared pain", the ONE segment of society that we NEVER saw "sharing" any of it?...The Upper-Crusties!
For very many years now, the fun & games of the Super Rich have been shoved in our faces everywhere we turned.... tv, radio, magazines, newspapers, and in our daily lives.
They have been doing quite well, thank-you-very-much.
No one is asking for a free ride..we just think it's time to have THEIR free-ride tokens taken from them.
In a fair world, they would not only pay MORE now, but would repay what they scammed from us all, but we know that will never happen.
Shared pain is fine, but WE have already prepaid our share..
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