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"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich..." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address 1961
Our president might want to take these words to heart when he resists aggressive measures to help out those affected by the housing crisis for fear of helping a few deadbeats or speculators. That is all. "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich..." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address 1961
Our president might want to take these words to heart when he resists aggressive measures to help out those affected by the housing crisis for fear of helping a few deadbeats or speculators. That is all. Posted by Stand and Fight in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Oct 14th 2009, 06:34 PM I posted the points below on another thread; however, I would like to start a discussion on how we could accomplish this. I'm aware that our current elected representatives are more than lacking in a spine, but the point of this discussion is to get everyone's feelings on how we could really move the party forward with the American people. Of course, this is a discussion board, so people are free to post things off-topic, snark and whatnot, but it is my hope that we could have a civil discussion and exchange of ideas -- albeit surely with some disagreements -- on this issue. Who knows? Maybe someone here plans to run for office some day and the winning strategies you suggest/discuss could become part of their platform. So, here are my initial thoughts as to what could make our party a lasting majority in the House and Senate:
1. Begin a media blitz on all networks and major publications -- including LTTEs explaining how vital it is to take the money out of running for office. Go on to explain how monied interest have corrupted the politics of this country to such an extent that those we elect to represent us -- while good people -- are nonetheless human and are all too tempted, all too often, by the money that big corporations and lobbyist throw at them. Get our message out their before the shrill voices of the right-wingers start up, and anticipate all of their arguments. 2. Put together STRONG campaign finance reform that would make it a crime for anyone running for office to take political contributions or gifts from corporations or lobbyist. On that same token, limit campaign contributions to $2,000 per individual. No more money from special interest groups, corporations, etc. Furthermore, anyone found giving or taking money under the table will be charged with a felony and if found guilty will be forced to pay a fine no greater than ten times the amount they were attempted to give/take and also the possibility of prison time. As a part of this, a special branch of the government would be created to oversee politicians campaign finances. 3. Put into law a living wage -- not a minimum wage -- that would be set based upon the previous fiscal year for the average cost of living on state-by-state basis. A national "base" living wage would be set that would function much like the current minimum wage in the fact that business could pay more, but not less, than the federal living wage. As to those concerned about how this would effect small businesses... 4. Businesses of certain sizes would receive immediate reduced taxes to help offset the costs of the living wage. Furthermore, businesses that hire Americans would be afforded tax credits to help keep American jobs in America. Of course, this all takes a healthy work force. 5. Enact health care reform -- not health insurance reform -- with a strong public option that ANYONE can buy into at ANYTIME based on a sliding scale of cost not to exceed 5% of GROSS income. In case where the individual makes only the living wage (whatever that is determined to be), said person(s) would receive a tax credit equal to 2.5% of their gross income. Thoughts? EDIT TO ADD 7:34PM EST: Driving home now -- gotta fight the DC traffic... Sigh. This is not a hit and run post. Posted on CraigsList:
All the tenants I interview aren't good enough (Broadway and Commercial) Reply to: pers-964514051@craigslist.org > Date: 2008-12-19, 6:05PM PST I am a born again Christian. Why is this a problem for people????! I have a house that's MINE and I PAID FOR IT. I also have a basement apartment for rent. It's a great space for I'm charing very little for it, $480 monthly, for the right tenant. I know it's ILLEGAL to require a Christian in the apartment, against the human rights. That's why I NEVER put this in my ad. Why then does it keep getting taken down? HERE IS THE AD I POSTED, AND THE AD THAT KEEPS GETTING REMOVED: Available Immediately – Broadway and Commercial – Showing Saturday and Sunday – Email for directions and additional information. What kind of apartment is it? • One bedroom basement apartment with separate entrance • Tastefully decorated with modern décor • Approximately 650 square feet • There is even a window! Security bars installed for your safety and to prevent unauthorized activity • Closed circuit camera installed for security and safety. One in your suite, one at the entrance, and one in the exercise yard Rent: • $480.00 per month • First month’s rent + ½ month security deposit due at move in • Small pet allowed with approval and payment of additional ½ month pet damage deposit • One year lease permitted, option to renew lease at end of the term with no increase in rent • LANDLORD’S SPECIAL! Move in before January 1st and don’t pay for the remainder of December! That’s significant savings. Included in the rent: • Electricity • Heat – Maintained at 21 degrees with lock box to prevent unauthorized tampering. Additional heating available for $20.00 per extra degree of heating per month. You may not use your oven to heat the apartment. If you do, you will be fined $50.00 per occurrence. • Air conditioning – Maintained at 25 degrees during the summer with lock box to prevent extra cooling from being dispensed. Additional cooling for sale for $20.00 per degree of cooling requested per month. • 25" Zenith color television set with basic cable service - INCLUDED IN RENT! • Wireless internet (with content filter applied to block forbidden/immoral websites) - INCLUDED IN RENT! • Provision of coin laundry services - You will have your own personal coin laundry washer and dryer machines. Washers and dryers are paid using a token system. Tokens can be purchased through the landlord. Washer tokens cost $4.15 each and dryer tokens cost $3.60 each. You are not allowed to use foreign currency or slugs in the washer and dryer. Violators will be fined $100.00 per infraction. About us: (Landlords) We are conservative, bible believing, God-fearing, born again, evangelical Christians. We interpret the bible literally in every way possible. We live a strict moral code and observe God’s laws in our everyday life. My wife stays at home and teaches our home-schooled children. I work as a pastor at a local congregation and am active in the faith community. About you: (Tenant) • You are employed • You do not participate in lascivious deviant sexual behavior • You do not choose alternative lifestyles as your lifestyle • You do not have any criminal history • You must have excellent character references • You do not smoke, drink or take drugs. Mandatory drug screening required. Additional Rules/Conditions: CLEANLINESS: You are responsible for the cleanliness and orderliness of your apartment. Beds are to be made before leaving your suite, countertops must be wiped down, and you must remove all trash. Upon inspection, if the tenant's basement suite is not clean, the cost of cleaning services plus a fine of $100.00 will be levied. LIGHTS: The lights in your basement suite and in the day room are not to be tampered with. If a light needs repair, report the condition to the Landlord. WAKE-UP: Wake up will be at 5:30am each morning. All ceiling lights in the suite will be turned on automatically. LIGHTS OUT: Ceiling lights in the suite will be turned off at 11:30pm. CONTRABAND: The following items are considered contraband – alcohol, illegal drugs, tobacco, weapons, lock picking equipment. If any contraband is discovered to be in your possession, you will be subject to a minimum $1,000.00 fine. In addition, your items will be confiscated permanently. Second offense – you will be evicted without notice. A bailiff will escort you and your belongings off the premises. Your security deposit will not be returned. SMOKING: The basement suite is non-smoking. Anyone in possession of tobacco products of any kind or any lighter or matches, will have their contraband items confiscated and will be fined $100.00. INSPECTIONS: The Landlord will conduct unannounced inspections to ensure that these rules and regulations are being followed. VISITATION: Visitation periods will be on Saturdays and Sundays from 1:00 p.m. until 3:00 p.m. All visitors and their vehicles are subject to search while on landlord property. Refusal to allow a search can result in their being barred from all future visitation privileges. All visitors must sign the Visitor's Log. Unauthorized visitors will be escorted from the property, and the tenant will be fined $250.00. I.D. BRACELETS: Each tenant will be issued an I.D. bracelet with his/her photograph. It must be worn at all times. If you lose your I.D. bracelet or it is broken, you will be required to purchase a new one at the nominal cost of $5.00. EXERCISE YARD: The tenant will have access to the exercise yard in the area to the back of the property for 2 hours per day from 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm. The tenant is not allowed to bring any personal property to the exercise yard. Once the tenant leaves the exercise yard on a particular day, he or she may not return. No boisterous behavior is allowed in the exercise yard. There is no smoking allowed in the exercise yard. Minimum fine for exercise yard infractions is $50.00. * Location: Broadway and Commercial * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 964514051 SOURCE:http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rnr/9645... Posted by Stand and Fight in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Sat Aug 02nd 2008, 09:44 PM I posted this in response to another poster on another thread. I would like to however extend this beyond that thread, because I think some of us might benefit from some reminders...
Here's my first reaction when I read about our candidate seemingly reversing himself on a number of issues: Just because the OP refuses to march lock-step, you would insinuate that they somehow have a preference for that cesspool FR? Really? Get a damn grip! The OP and many others do not feel that Obama is willing to take a PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL stand on anything, and they have a valid point. There's "playing politics" and then there's having some principle. When you have a candidate who campaigned in the primary on the basis of being the anti-"politics as usual" candidate reversing himself on highly important key issues, you have a problem, friend. As a party we have a problem. No one expects Obama to be a damn knight in shining armor; however, we do not expect him to stand us in the back when he should be taking a firm stand. Believe me, this is not only being talked about on the net, it is also being discussed elsewhere by folks not affiliated with the blogosphere or these dammed discussion forums. People don't like what they're seeing... Then I think to myself. Wait a minute! Take a look at the reality of the situation. John McCain is something worst than George W. Bush. John McCain is dangerous, ruthless and wholly without honor. If this man is elected president, there is no doubt in my mind that he will make George W. Bush look like a bloody Girls Scout. Yes, I am absolutely certain that while Bush was bad, at least he doesn't have moments where he almost comes completely unhinged in public. How many of us have seen that queer smile play across his lips while there is no light in his eyes? How many of us have been inwardly repulsed at his use of the term, "my friends," and wondered what thoughts lay behind the overuse of said term? How many of us here and elsewhere have read about John McCain's temper, his vengeful nature? How many of us have witnessed him -- not his campaign or surrogates -- lie outright about his opposition? How many of us here and elsewhere recoiled in abject horror when we saw the infamous "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" clip? John McCain is the monster in the closet come out in the light of day draped in the American flag all the while salivating about the next war in order to protect our freedoms -- all the while calling for the spilling of more blood. Calling John McCain a monster is hyperbole, yes. However, realize this: John McCain is a man of war -- not a man of peace. In fact, he may be something unclassifiable in the politic sense. Yes, John McCain is something different, something quite beyond monstrous because it's all so clear in his actions, his words and his mannerisms that he is dangerous. Barack Obama may not be perfect and he may have seemingly betrayed some stances; nonetheless, I don't see a monster in him. I haven't experience the faintest bit of quiet discomfort hearing him speak and watching the way he conducts himself. I don't find myself on edge when I think about what an Obama presidency will be like. On that same token, I don't see him as a knight in shining armor, but he is what stands between a further decent into madness and political debauchery and -- at least -- the chance to pull back from the brink of the abyss. If we should fail, if we should ourselves relent, and allow John McCain to be elected and Barack Obama to lose, then we are resigning ourselves, our children, and our country to an indeterminately dark future. I might not be completely sold on Barack Obama, but I am wholly convinced, doggedly resolute, that John McCain cannot be allowed to win the presidency. Sitting back, not voting, or neglecting to fight like hell... Well, if we do that... If any one of us should choose to take that course, then we might just as soon sharpen the executioner's blade, mix the vile concoction of poison ourselves and pray for a miracle. We cannot risk another four years of an incompetent and petty little man at the helm of this ship. We must choose our own course. Right now, Barack Obama is our best choice, the only choice, to put us back on course, and at least lock away the little beasties in their cages,at least tame them, if not stripe away their power forever. Posted by Stand and Fight in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Sat Aug 02nd 2008, 09:32 PM Here's my first reaction when I read about our candidate seemingly reversing himself:
Just because the OP refuses to march lock-step, you would insinuate that they somehow have a preference for that cesspool FR? Really? Get a damn grip! The OP and many others do not feel that Obama is willing to take a PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL stand on anything, and they have a valid point. There's "playing politics" and then there's having some principle. When you have a candidate who campaigned in the primary on the basis of being the anti-"politics as usual" candidate reversing himself on highly important key issues, you have a problem, friend. As a party we have a problem. No one expects Obama to be a damn knight in shining armor; however, we do not expect him to stand us in the back when he should be taking a firm stand. Believe me, this is not only being talked about on the net, it is also being discussed elsewhere by folks not affiliated with the blogosphere or these dammed discussion forums. People don't like what they're seeing... Then I think to myself. Wait a minute! Take a look at the reality of the situation. John McCain is something worst than George W. Bush. John McCain is dangerous, ruthless and wholly without honor. If this man is elected president, there is no doubt in my mind that he will make George W. Bush look like a bloody Girls Scout. Yes, I am absolutely certain that while Bush was bad, at least he doesn't have moments where he almost comes completely unhinged in public. How many of us have seen that queer smile play across his lips while there is no light in his eyes? How many of us have been inwardly repulsed at his use of the term, "my friends," and wondered what thoughts lay behind the overuse of said term? How many of us here and elsewhere have read about John McCain's temper, his vengeful nature? How many of us have witnessed him -- not his campaign or surrogates -- lie outright about his opposition? How many of us here and elsewhere recoiled in abject horror when we saw the infamous "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" clip? John McCain is the monster in the closet come out in the light of day draped in the American flag all the while salivating about the next war in order to protect our freedoms -- all the while calling for the spilling of more blood. Calling John McCain a monster is hyperbole, yes. However, realize this: John McCain is a man of war -- not a man of peace. In fact, he may be something unclassifiable in the politic sense. Yes, John McCain is something different, something quite beyond monstrous because it's all so clear in his actions, his words and his mannerisms that he is dangerous. Barack Obama may not be perfect and he may have seemingly betrayed some stances; nonetheless, I don't see a monster in him. I haven't experience the faintest bit of quiet discomfort hearing him speak and watching the way he conducts himself. I don't find myself on edge when I think about what an Obama presidency will be like. On that same token, I don't see him as a knight in shining armor, but he is what stands between a further decent into madness and political debauchery and -- at least -- the chance to pull back from the brink of the abyss. If we should fail, if we should ourselves relent, and allow John McCain to be elected and Barack Obama to lose, then we are resigning ourselves, our children, and our country to an indeterminately dark future. I might not be completely sold on Barack Obama, but I am wholly convinced, doggedly resolute, that John McCain cannot be allowed to win the presidency. Sitting back, not voting, or neglecting to fight like hell... Well, if we do that... If any one of us should choose to take that course, then we might just as soon sharpen the executioner's blade, mix the vile concoction of poison ourselves and pray for a miracle. We cannot risk another four years of an incompetent and petty little man at the helm of this ship. We must choose our own course. Right now, Barack Obama is our best choice, the only choice, to put us back on course, and at least lock away the little beasties in their cages,at least tame them, if not stripe away their power forever.
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Wed Apr 23rd 2008, 05:56 PM More specifically, please show me the numbers -- the ratios if you will -- as to how much time Hillary spent attacking other Democrats and how much time she spent attacking those who did oppose Bush to the time she spent attacking Republicans and those who opposed Democratic proposals. If you please...
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Wed Apr 23rd 2008, 05:10 PM Hillary Clinton does not give up. She fights on even when the odds are seemingly insurmountable. Even when others abandon the principles of this august democracy and call for her to drop out of the race. Hillary Clinton took up fighting for national health care even knowing she'd be villainized by the very real vast right-wing conspiracy. She continued that fight even when the cowards in our own party would not stand by her. She has -- despite the propaganda of the right-wing now mouthed by Obama Democrats -- fought hard and against the odds. This is precisely why I so staunchly supported Edwards and why I now so staunchly and -- YES! -- passionately support Hillary Rodham Clinton. Lately, the Republicans newest allies, some of the most liberal members of the Democratic Party (even on this board), have continued to attack Hillary Clinton. She has become the proverbial red-haired step-child within our party. I can identify with that. Growing up as a foster child and having been told then I would never amount to anything because of my background and my mother's drug abuse, my poor economic background, a horrible temper as a youth, a family that had never gone to college... Foster parent after foster parent said I would wind up on drugs and a nobody. Well, I have always rallied against these notions.
Why do I love John Edwards and Hillary Clinton? Because I see myself in them -- I see that fighting spirit to never give up, to keep pushing forward. After John Edwards abandoned his bid for the nomination, I was thunderstruck to say the least. I knew after a couple of days reflection and research that I had to roll with Hillary Clinton. As an African-American who has experienced more prejudice from my own people growing up, I can identify with being part of the outcast sect. Imagine -- even if you are not African-American -- what it means to be called a "sell-out" or snowflake" or "Uncle Tom" because you happen to listen to classical music and happen to not be a big fan of hip-hop/R&B, because you are not concerned with dressing in the latest fashions because you simply cannot afford them, or mocked and spurned because you happen to talk in a way that is not seen as "fitting in." Many days -- and especially in junior high -- I came home crying because of the relentless torment I had endured. Even if I said nothing to the tormentors they would go on and on. Sometimes I reacted and I fought back with my fist in my adolescence. As I grew older I bottled up my resentment and bitterness and poured it into excelling academically. I fought. I soldiered on no matter what. That is precisely what I see Hillary Clinton doing. I am in many other ways different than the typical Hillary supporter. My annual income is over $75,000, I'm relatively young (30), a veteran, white-collar worker (Web Developer), have two years of college and will be going back to school in the fall... The more people on here put Hillary Clinton down, the more committed I grow to her and her candidacy, because quite frankly Barack Obama's candidacy has come to represent everything that has consistently been a road-block in my own life. Am I bitter? Yes! Am I driven to stubbornly support Senator Clinton because of my own past? Yes! Why? Because it seems that the arrogance of Obama's supporters on here are highly reflective of everything I've fought against all my life. Now I see those same fad-driven, arrogant, self-important jerks mocking a perfectly good Democrat -- someone who does not give up and refuses to surrender even though the odds are against her. (Never mind the media that people here once spurned! And now people like Chris Matthews et al are hailed as heroes...) I find it despicable, and I am every more committed to Hillary. INSPIRED BY THIS THREAD: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... ON EDIT: I will not reply to post that are inflammatory. If someone cares to have a civil discussion, I will talk to them. However, I shall not fall into exchanges of insults. I will have to "agree to disagree". ![]() Posted by Stand and Fight in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Fri Feb 01st 2008, 12:53 AM There seems to be a bit of confusion over exactly what her position was in October of 2002. After reviewing her speech explaining her vote for the resolution, I am left with a deeper respect for the good Senator. Likewise, while it may be an unpopular position to take on DU, I do feel that most people and veterans would understand her line of thought in voting for authorization. As a recent veteran myself -- I got out in February 2004 -- I do not at all fault Senator Clinton for her vote on the resolution. Furthermore, I believe that she is wholly justified in NOT apologizing for her vote. I wholeheartedly agree with her that looking backward is not the approach we should take. Rather we should look forward and decide how to fix the problem that was caused by George W. Bush's irresponsible use of congressional approval. If possible, can we please discuss this issue in a manner befitting intelligent adults who are, after all is said and done, members of the same political flock.
What follows is the full text of Hillary Clinton's speech as given on the floor of the Senate on 10 October 2002. I have underlined what I feel are the relevant and revealing portions explaining her vote and my own comments are italicized: Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program. I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion. I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right. Let's be sure to remember this portion, as it because largely relevant in the aftermath of the invasion and even later on in this speech... Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. On this point, I am completely in agreement with HRC. These are facts that are well-known and well-documented within the public record. In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge. As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities. In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets. In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad. In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. I can only speculate that Senator Clinton was misled by the intelligence reports that were coming out of our intelligence agencies; nonetheless, even at the time this intelligence was widely questioned by dissenting voices that turned out to be right about this issue and about the coming quagmire in Iraq. It is entirely possible that Hillary Clinton could have exercised better judgment in this matter, but if one continues reading the text of the speech it becomes more clear why she did not... More importantly, the next portion of the speech (all underlined by yours truly) are particularly revealing. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom? Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform. This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980's when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom. However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak. If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan? So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option. Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it. This too has great appeal for different reasons. The UN deserves our support. Whenever possible we should work through it and strengthen it, for it enables the world to share the risks and burdens of global security and when it acts, it confers a legitimacy that increases the likelihood of long-term success. The UN can help lead the world into a new era of global cooperation and the United States should support that goal. But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million Kosovar Albanians. However, most of the world was with us because there was a genuine emergency with thousands dead and a million driven from their homes. As soon as the American-led conflict was over, Russia joined the peacekeeping effort that is still underway. In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons. So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations? While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998. The passage above is quite revealing in my mind. It is clear that Mrs. Clinton did not view her vote as an authorization to use force. This was indicative of the answer she gave in tonight's California debate with the honorable Barack Obama. It is my earnest belief that Senator Clinton gave a straight-forward answer to the question, as her answer tonight was right in line with the contents of this speech. Mrs. Clinton clearly did not view her vote as an authorization for this president to attack Iran -- she viewed it as congress leaving the responsibility in the lap of the president. President Bush choose to use this power in a way that is clearly contrary to the purpose of Mrs. Clinton's vote. This is backed up by the next underlined portion.... If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition. If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise. The emphasized (underlined) portion makes it clear that Hillary Clinton was not -- in her mind -- voting for authorization to use force. It is high time that this myth be done away with once and for all. Mrs. Clinton was advocating a reasonable approach and giving the president the benefit of the doubt -- that he would ultimately do the right thing. It is not Mrs. Clinton's fault --based upon the premise of her speech -- that President Bush chose to act contrary to her thoughts. Therefore, it seems to me, that when Senator Clinton says had she been president there would have been no attack on Iraq, I COMPLETELY believe her. Unlike Mr. Obama, Mrs. Clinton did not have the luxury of being able to say later that she would have voted against the resolution. She was very much in the public spotlight. Had Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and -- given her view of her vote -- used said weapons after inspections had been conducted, Mrs. Clinton voting in opposition would have been disastrous and political suicide to boot. This is spelled out in no uncertain terms in the next paragraph.... If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want. I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq. Mrs. Clinton was clearly against President Bush taking unilateral action in Iraq. It is clear that she believed -- wrongly -- that the intelligence indicated that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that he intended on using them. Senator Clinton viewed this as a particularly vital issue. It was imperative that something be done about Saddam Hussein because failure to do so could very well mean that weapons of mass destruction would get into the hands of terrorists. As I see it this is the measured response of mature leadership that this country so desperately needs -- the sort of leadership that has been wholly absent from the Bush administration. President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible. This last passage is the most disheartening for me as a former soldier. I am somewhat disappointed that Mrs. Clinton showed a certain kind of nativity by extending so much trust to President Bush. Nonetheless, I will acknowledge that given the fact that the wounds of September 11th remained fresh, it is no wonder that Mrs. Clinton -- and the majority of Democrats were willing to trust the president. She acknowledges that the resolution is not EXACTLY what she wants, she decided to go forward with an affirmative vote. Was this a mistake? Perhaps. Was it a lapse in judgment, a bit too trustful? Yes. However, that is the benefit of hindsight -- we can so easily say what we would have done. We must take into account that Senator Clinton was privy to information that simply was not made available to the public, and despite this, she still took the responsible role of suggesting moderation in regards to Iraq. She cannot be held accountable for Mr. Bush's utter lack of seasoned and mature judgment and leadership. Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections. "...war less likely..." Think about that for a minute, folks. Senator Clinton clearly did not see her vote as an authorization to go to war. She saw it as an authorization for the president to pursue a more aggressive diplomatic stance with the United Nations. Senator Clinton even says in the next line that this is the hardest decision she has ever had to make because she acknowledges that it could lead to war. However strong her conviction may have been, she clearly saw her vote as an authorization -- not to go to war -- but to be able to pursue more aggressive diplomacy in the interest of building a stronger coalition should the use of force become necessary IF inspections did not work. This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction. And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them. My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world. Let those words sink in people -- especially those who have accused Senator Clinton of voting for this resolution on the basis that it was to go to war. "My vote is not a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism..." Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections. Senator Clinton is urging President Bush to seek unlimited inspections BEFORE pursuing the use of force. President Bush did not heed this sage advice. And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am. So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed. "...use these powers wisely AND as a LAST RESORT." Thank you, Mr. President. Now, what say you, DU? EDITED TO ADD: Can I shamelessly ask for recommendations so more people see this? I believe discussing this issue is of vital importance and would help to dispel the innuendo and slander that permeates the discussion of Senator Clinton's stance on this issue. Thanks! I'm undecided as to whom I will support for the Democratic nomination, but I can say this quite decisively and bluntly:
People more concerned with Edwards' haircut, his house or his clothes really should wake the hell up and focus on what matters -- what are his positions on the issues that are confronting the American people and the world both today and in the future? This is ignorant tripe and not newsworthy. Those who promote this as somehow being a valid part of the public discourse really ought to grow the hell up and get their heads out of their asses, because, after all is said and done, do you really think that future generations are going to give a damn about Mr. Edwards haircut, his clothes? No. They'll want to know about his positions on the issues and what he did to promote those ideals. The rest of poppy-cock, bullshit. Besides, Edwards looks just as good as the other Democratic candidates when contrasted with pompous jackasses on the Republican side. We've a damn fine field of Democratic candidates -- just as we did in previous years. Pray tell that we can see past petty issues like haircuts and into the issues that will serve to define us as a party and as a people, and in that same way elect a leader who is representative of American ideals that have been long abandoned these past several years. Ideals that reach back to Kennedy and beyond. Ideals that would not even touch upon such trite nonsense as a haircut...
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Wed Nov 15th 2006, 11:11 PM A Conversation with America
The simple reality of the fact is that the Press is called the Fourth Estate for a reason. I don't think that there will be much debate that they have grossly failed the American people the last 20 years or so. A cursory look at the way the press has conducted itself since the Iran-Contra scandal to Bill Clinton to the passes the Bush administration has been allowed, will reveal that something is very wrong with our media in this country. Investigative journalism, responsible reporting, have gone out of the window in the interest of promoting sensational bologna that have no real bearing on the long term issues that are confronting America. In the wake of revelations brought forward in the Downing Street Minutes, the media instead reporting on the idiotic run-away bride. However, that is only part of the problem.
Another aspect, which you touched on in your post, is that the media is influencing our politics. Since I am of the camp that believes that the media has become dominated by right-wing ideologues I believe that the media is acting in its own best interests rather than the interests of the nation. The right-wing fluff of a myth that the media is liberally biased should have long ago been put to rest, but in the upside-down world of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Candy Crowley, and Bill O'Reilly, there is a bias against those now proved stalwarts of honesty and conservatism, the Republicans. (Surely, you know that I jest...) The Republicans in the Capital and on the television have a strong interest in influencing what should rightly be Democratic policies. What am I getting at exactly? Well, since the media has a vested SELF-interest in defining the debate, like the Republicans, Democrats across the spectrum -- progressives, liberals, moderates, and conservatives -- should be asking themselves why right-wing personalities are so concerned with influencing Democratic policies. This whole issue goes hand-in-hand with a problem that the Democrats in Congress only now seem to be waking up to; that is, so long as we allow Republicans to define the debate with wedge issues in the like, they are in control of the public discourse. It seems that those of the progressive branch in our party would instantly know how to respond to these regressive techniques. The reaction is that there should be NO reaction. Democrats need to learn to get ahead of the issues, get in front of them, and define the debate before Republicans and their allies in the media attempt to define their positions before the body politic. If Democrats begin to behave in a proactive manner rather than reactive the national conversation on such pressing matters as Iraq, health-care, education, right to choice, civil rights, and any other manner of issues would be redefined. Furthermore, I also believe that Democrats as a whole are more in line with the views of the mainstream American than either the media or Republicans would have the American people believe. Republicans have continually charged over the last couple of years that Democrats have no plans, but many of us here have rightly debated those plans. Nonetheless, it is not enough that DUers -- who are rightly defined as political junkies -- debate those plans. If the Democrats in Congress really want to connect with the American people they need to bring those plans forward. I always thought that the idea of Newt Gingrich proposing a Contract with America was a bit of hogwash. Why? Simple. It was more of a case of dictation than anything else. He didn't bother to see what the American people wanted and what direction the American people wanted to take this country. This was evident in the witch hunt of President William Jefferson Clinton. It was even more telling that the media played such a huge role in that sensationalist nonsense. Poles indicated that the American people did not want to impeach President Clinton, but the media and Congressional Republicans chose to do so anyway. Why? Because the whole idea of a Contract with America was never based on the wishes of the American people. It was based on the wishes of right-wing ideologues far too influenced by partisan pressure and opinion than by the views of the people they were supposed to represent. However, Democrats have the chance to change all of that now. Democrats need to initiate a Conversation with America. Remember the old town-hall style meetings that were quite dominant in the northeastern United States? That is precisely what Democrats need to be doing when in recess from Congress. They need to engage the American people in a conversation about what direction Americans want this country to take in regards to both foreign and domestic policy. If, IF, they do this they can begin to cement a permanent majority, so long as they enact the recommendations of those they represent, their employers. The incoming Democratic leadership is fond of saying they want a transparent government. While this is a fine idea, a noble one, it is not enough. Transparency must be linked with engaging conversation. If Democrats go out among the people by making their government more accessible to them it is going to be in stark contrast to the policies that Republicans have followed on issues from Terri Schiavo to stem cell research to implementing the 9/11 Commission recommendations. Whereas Americans voted Republicans out of office because they didn't seem to care what people thought, I believe that Americans would vote Democrats back into office because they ENGAGE them in CONVERSATION, not dictatorial contracts. Americans will see that Democrats really are trying to do what is best for them and in that way there will be a firewall, a buffer, put in place that will make a joke of the right-wing spin espoused by the media and Congressional Republicans who do not have the American people's interests at heart. No longer will it be as easy for the media to influence Democratic policies or to define the debate, because the debate will be going on among the American people like it does in the micro-society of DU. By employing this proactive and populist tactics, Democrats will be going a long way in not only obtaining a lengthy majority, but staying in touch with their constituents and not falling into the pitfalls of power. Democrats can make themselves the representatives of the American people who are largely middle-class, tax paying, law-abiding people who want to do the right thing. The label of tax-and-spend liberals will be hard to place on Democrats if conversations are dominated by the proactive actions and legislation of Democrats rather than the half-truths and outright lies spewed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Well... I hope that I really gave your post a response it deserves. I think you have hit on something, and I think that it is important that Democrats stop letting the media influence their actions and policies. I think it's important that Democrats begin to define the debate, initiate a Conversation with America, and get back to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. PS: I think I just wrote the rough draft for my next article... Thanks!
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Posted by Stand and Fight in General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007)
Tue Oct 31st 2006, 08:28 PM I guess I will out myself on DU right now and take away my anonymity. So be it. Yesterday one of my articles was published online and apparently it has proven quite popular given the people who have read it. The article is pasted, in full, below:
A Stark and Clear ChoiceLINK: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/... Joel E. Bousley October 30, 2006 Is it possible that our country might be on the precipice of recovery from the damage that the Bush administration and extreme wings of the Republican Party have reaped upon her? Is it possible that a Democratic victory in the House might be just around the corner? If so, the wait for this has been too long in coming. Over the past several months the Republicans have managed to further shred the Constitution. However, they have also been caught red-handed in scandal-after-scandal; the Republican Party is not unlike the child who has been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Needless to say, momma is not at all happy with the way little Georgie and crew have been behaving. It seems that the American people have finally had enough of the lies, corruption, and vitriol that have come to define the Republican Party. Republicans have trumpeted the lie that the Democrats have no plan. Time-and-time again I have heard this parroted by the right-wing talking heads. One has only to conduct a Google search – notwithstanding the president’s inane use of “the Google” – to see that Democrats from the honorable John Kerry to those candidates now running for office to the House Democratic leadership have plans to get America back on track. Just last week, Mr. Bush suggested almost the very same plan for getting out of Iraq that John Kerry proposed months ago. For months this president has proclaimed that we must “stay the course” in Iraq, and now he and his foul administration are running away from that tired phrase. Did the President really think that no one would notice this irony and point it out? The American people seem to be about to reclaim their values, as they draw back in disgust at the heinous sight of Republican corruption and hypocrisy. It seems that the American people have grown tired of tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans, as the middle class continues to struggle and an abhorrent term – the “working poor” – takes more of a stranglehold. Americans have grown tired of a Republican-led Congress voting for a pay increase for themselves and, in almost the same breath, voting against raising the minimum wage for hardworking citizens. Americans have grown tired of seeing right-wing extremist like the odious Mr. Limbaugh mock a savage disease like Parkinson’s disease while the majority are in favor of stem-cell research. Americans have grown tired of the fact that over 46 million are without health insurance, and even those who have health insurance face rising premium costs. Americans have grown tired of a Republican Congress that claims to support the troops, while failing to ensure they have proper equipment and all the while slashing veterans’ benefits. In short, the American people do not like what has happened under Republican “leadership.” The Culture of Corruption, of hypocrisy, is finally being tripped up by their chicanery. The elephantine trumpeters who have proclaimed that the Democrats have no plan or that the next terrorist attacks are right around the corner are being revealed as liars and fear mongers. They are being revealed for the corruption and hypocrisy that has long stood out to some on the left, middle, and right. It is not just the Mark Foley scandal, the Jack Abramoff affair, or the bribes that have undercut American tax payers – it is the sheer volume and weight of Republican betrayal that stands out above all else. The Republican Party has betrayed their own values, and, more shockingly, they have betrayed the values of truth and justice. They have failed to provide oversight of themselves and of the Bush White House, and the American people are not blind to this fact. Even in traditionally strong Republican areas, the truth is beginning to shine through, as many polls reveal that Democrats are likely to take the House and could very well take the Senate. For the past six the Republican Party has failed to do anything about these issues and more. They have continued to be complacent in the lies that led us to war in Iraq. They have continued to do nothing as the chief culprit behind 9/11 remains free. They have continued to put the business of corporations ahead of the business of the people. Whereas Democrats wanted to provide some cushion for the middle class and the poor many times over the past several years, Republicans have continued to hold the line against the better interests of the vast majority of Americans. It is not just their support for tax cuts that only affect the richest of Americans. It is things like the nefarious bankruptcy bill that passed with overwhelming Republican support; whereas, Democrats wanted to protect those whose debts were incurred by medical bills, the Republicans had no compassion for even the hard luck cases. Some would venture to say that Republicans have greatly contributed to the worsening of this country, as surely as they have caused the polarization of the American electorate. Americans know that this polarization cannot be allowed to continue if our country is to get back on the right track. The Democrats represent new and vital leadership as we face the challenges that the Republican Party has neglected because of incompetence, cowardice, and chicanery. Americans must never forget that it was under a Republican president that our country was attacked on September 11, 2001. Americans must never forget that it is the Republicans who are soft on terrorism, as they have continued to fail to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. It is the Democrats who have called for a strict adherence to the recommendations of the non-partisan 9/11 Commission, and it is the Republicans that have willfully refused to make those recommendations into laws. The Democrats have so many plans that I cannot cover them all here. Suffice it to say, the Democratic Party wants to enact changes for the betterment of this country and the world. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has already laid out what Democratic plans if the Democrats should take the House in January 2007. (To view Leader Pelosi's plan go to http://www.democraticleader.house.gov/pdf/... ) Can Republicans say that they have any clear plan to get our country back on track, or is it that they are the ones with no plan and will choose to merely continue with failed and tired policies? It is a delight to see that the American people, as a whole, seem to have become largely aware of the Republican’s chicanery, and next week, on the seventh of November, we shall see what the people decide. If I were a betting man, I would say that we, the American electorate, shall choose the path of progress over the stagnation we have had under Republican leadership. Imagine an American where the American dream is attainable again, where all Americans have access to health care, where all citizens earn at least a living wage, and yes, where the Bush White House is finally forced to recognize that there are three separate and equal branches to our government. Imagine a country in which the members, past and present, of our military are finally treated with the respect and honor that they have earned. Imagine a country where the partisan feelings are gone and we are once again united, not as Republicans and Democrats, but, more importantly, as Americans. Next week the American people will have a clear and distinct choice to make. Shall we continue as a nation that starts wars of aggression, ignores the potential benefits of stem-cell research, allows millions to go without health insurance, watches people struggle on minimum wage, and continues to drive blindly toward global ecological disaster? Or shall take the high road and cut our losses in Iraq, invest government funds in stem-cell research, stop the rising costs of medical care while ensuring that all Americans have access to health care, and do something while there is still time about global warming? The choice is clear – Democrats for truth, justice, and progress or Republicans for corruption, stagnation, and hypocrisy. God bless America. Must have tapped a nerve pretty well, as I received the following email this evening: I hope that you are single and remain that way the rest of your life. I would hate to think that you would actually get someone pregnant and raise children who are as stupid as you are. I am definitely of the belief that even the rank and file Republicans must be going stir crazy if a small opinion piece can arouse so much vitriol. I replied back as follows: Ms. Xxxxxx: What a profoundly kind thing to say. I am not single and have not been for some time. I am pleased that my article caused you to react as you have. To each their own... I suppose that good manners and civil discourse are a distinct impossibility for some. As Christ preached, I shall turn the other cheek. May God bless you and keep you. Now kindly refrain from contacting me again, as I don't think I can bare another of your musings. All the Best, Joel E. Bousley On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"This woman's email address indicates that she is from Georgia, and I would say that someone has some anger issues to work out. How do you ladies and gentlemen think that I handled it? Thse two soldiers did not have to die. Plain and simple.
Bush and Cheney should be dragged kicking and screaming out of the White House. Enough of this bullshit. Look at these two soldiers! They're kids for the love of God -- fucking kids! And that idiot and his cronies are going to get away with this because Americans are two chickenshit to hold them accountable. Every fucking Senator -- Republican AND Democrat -- who doesn't stand with Kerry, Feingold, and Boxer ought to eat shit and die. This is disgusting! Not one more! Drag the motherfuckers out of the White House and lock them up before we lose another person -- Iraqi or American. Enough!
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Thu Jun 08th 2006, 02:03 PM It's nice to see that there are still sane people in this world. It is even nicer to see that one of them was more than likely directly affected by al-Zarqawi, but despite that -- and unlike some of the DUers on here -- he is not finding the death a cause to celebrate. His name is Michael Berg, and his son was killed by al-Zarqawi and his men. Read his reaction to the noxious questions of CNN's nefarious Soledad O'Brien. I assure you -- at least those of you who don't glory in death -- that you will not be disappointed with his humane and level-headed replies. I dare say that the gentleman is spot-on! Here are some excerpts from the interview:
O'BRIEN: Mr. Berg, thank you for talking with us again. It's nice to have an opportunity to talk to you. Of course, I'm curious to know your reaction, as it is now confirmed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the man who is widely credited and blamed for killing your son, Nicholas, is dead. MICHAEL BERG: Well, my reaction is I'm sorry whenever any human being dies. Zarqawi is a human being. He has a family who are reacting just as my family reacted when Nick was killed, and I feel bad for that. ~~~snip~~~ O'BRIEN: There's a theory that a struggle for democracy, you know... BERG: Democracy? Come on, you can't really believe that that's a democracy there when the people who are running the elections are holding guns. That's not democracy. ~~~snip~~~ BERG: Well, you know, I'm not saying Saddam Hussein was a good man, but he's no worse than George Bush. Saddam Hussein didn't pull the trigger, didn't commit the rapes. Neither did George Bush. But both men are responsible for them under their reigns of terror. I don't buy that. Iraq did not have al Qaeda in it. Al Qaeda supposedly killed my son. Under Saddam Hussein, no al Qaeda. Under George Bush, al Qaeda. Under Saddam Hussein, relative stability. Under George Bush, instability. Under Saddam Hussein, about 30,000 deaths a year. Under George Bush, about 60,000 deaths a year. I don't get it. Why is it better to have George Bush the king of Iraq rather than Saddam Hussein? Read the full transcript of the interview here: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/... I have to say that I am beyond impressed with Mr. Berg, because it is people like him who will lead the way of getting us out of the quagmire in Iraq. Killing al-Zarqawi is not going to bring our troops home, but what it will certainly do is create more people like him in Iraq. For that matter, it is not just killing al-Zarqawi, for I will confess that there is ample reason to believe he is a fictional character, but every day that an Iraqi dies as a result of our presence, how many al-Zarqawi/bin Laden types are being created? The fact of the matter is that you do not combat violence and death with more violence and death. As to his comparison between Bush and Hussein -- he's absolutely correct. Posted by Stand and Fight in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Tue Jun 06th 2006, 04:53 PM It's outrageous that these people can continue to spread their hatred in the name of protecting children! The ONLY foster parent that I was ever happen with or came to love was gay. I'm now a married well-adjusted member of the ever-drowning middle class, and I can look back on my experiences in a gay foster home as a significant factor as to why I have turned out the way I have.
This religious right nonsense attacking gays and trumpetted by the idiot-in-chief is very saddening, but I want members of the GLBT community to know that I don't feel threatened in my marriage and neither does my wife. I want them to know along with the rest of America that gay Americans are just as good of parents -- if not better -- than heterosexuals. Children are not at all threatened by members of the GLBT community as much as they are by the political tactics and religious zealotry of the religious right. President Bush -- you vile and idiotic beast -- do take note of that.
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