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Posted by Viva_La_Revolution in Oregon
Sun Feb 10th 2008, 02:31 AM
This is VLR reporting for IWitnessNewZ.

So, tonight on my way to the monthly Meet-up, I noticed lots of cop activity at the JD building downtown, but I just figured they were moving some really bad guy and security was tight. Turns out there was a guy hanging from the 10th-or-so level of the parking garage next to JD. (I got the scoop from the Trimet driver who had to detour around it. She was all freaked about having to deviate from her route, lol!) Anyway, I got a good look at him as we crossed over the Hawthorne bridge. He was kicked back at the edge of the top floor, facing the building, nothing but air at his back. His posture said "I really don't care if I die". My heart dropped.

end of transmission.

So when I got home tonight, I started a thread in GDP to find out the Primary results (yes, I know we talked about how it was much healthier to avoid that cesspool. my bad.) that drew a troll? and then I hit the Google to find out if that poor man was talked down or...

and.. nothing.

not a word.

He apparently does not exist.

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and yes, I came to my friends first before clicking some msm website.

That would be like searching out a $10 whore when I got a sexy, funny, smart man at home.

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Posted by Viva_La_Revolution in Oregon
Sat Dec 08th 2007, 04:05 AM
I bring to your attention that many of us completely missed the fact that last Saturday was the 1st of the month, (and I totally missed hangin' with you guys) ; therefore, I propose that we move on ReaderRabbit's suggestion of meeting on the 15th, perhaps incorporating a fairly wild pub crawl through the Woodstock neighborhood.

I further propose that we go with Cerridwen's subtly veiled suggestion that it should incorporate much beer in a smoky warm bar somewhere out of the elements and away from the crowds.

Keeping in mind many of our beloved fellow Oregon DU'ers preference for clean air and clean tables whilst subversively planning the downfall of the Repuglican War Machine, I propose the following...

5pm (or so) we gather at Lucky Lab, Goose Hollow or one of the other reputable establishments where we have been known to congregate.
*Much stimulating political discourse ensues, accompanied by fine food and drink.

8-10pm (or so) the more adventureous members of the group could possibly venture out into the shadowy establishments of Woodstock after the official gathering…
*Much could ensue. No personal data will be recorded, no cameras allowed.

What say you?
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Posted by Viva_La_Revolution in The DU Lounge
Fri Oct 26th 2007, 10:51 PM
He's 19 and apparently he drank a whole 40 by himself.

If I got a kick out of it, does that make me a perv?

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…listening to Randi today (3 hours earlier than usual cause work was called on account of rain ) interviewing the great John Dean about the current Decider’s flagrant disregard for the Constitution and the Law. She mentions the number of Conservatives who now admit that we are correct when we say this administration is flawed, criminal and, frankly, psychopathic.

Today she interviews;
John Dean – former White House counsel to Nixon, a true, brilliant Conservative.
Bruce Fein - Former Associate Deputy Attorney General under President Ronald Reagan
and Elizabeth de la Vega - Former Federal Prosecutor.
Jonathan Turley could not participate, but he sends his regrets.

This got me thinking - we should have a handy list of Famous or Important Conservatives who agree on the Vital Issues that the Far Looney Left is screaming about.

Please contribute to this worthy cause by listing below the names of those who have publicly stated that we are in agreement on Vital Constitutional Issues.
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It should not be effecting me this badly, after all, I have been living with this issue for over 30 years. I remember my Mom trying to get us in to a dentist at least once every few years, and how thrilled we were when we became eligible for Medicaid for a few months. I remember telling the Doctor at 15 that we weren't going to even discuss treatments for my severe acne - I knew we wouldn't be able to pay for the medications, and none of them were covered.

So, my family is one of the millions in the US with no access to health care. (a combination of job losses, employers dropping health care ins. and the fact that we live just above the poverty line). I'm now 38 years old, with 2 boys still at home. (My oldest is in the National Guard. He joined specifically for Education and Medical). Oh sure, if I was to have a stroke or something, I'm sure I could get treated somewhere... and spend the next 5-10 years paying the bill. 4 years ago, when I came down with Cervical cancer, I had fairly decent insurance. It cost my employer over $250 per month, and they paid almost half of the bill. Yippee. Just before that diagnosis, I was all set up with a Dentist to finally get the work done I had needed for years. We were planning for the end of the 2004-beginning of 2005 so the insurance would pay for all the work I needed. In Oct. of 2004 my employer had to drop the Dental because the rates doubled between Sept. and Oct. 6 months later, I was laid off.

After a bout of unemployment that lasted almost a year, I managed to get back to work, but at half my previous salary, and no health care.

Now my teeth have deteriorated to the point where I am very limited in what I can eat. My diet sucks because everything has to be soft or cooked to the point of mushiness. I haven't' bitten into an apple in over 5 years. (I haven't eaten a Corn-Nut in over 10. God, I miss Corn-Nuts! )
I've actually learned to muddle along... I can eat fresh carrot if I grate it first. (The celery experiment didn't turn out so well.)

Until 2 months ago, I had been able to get along in public just fine, no-one except my closest friends knew any of this.
Then one morning, I woke up to find that one of front lower incisors (the one the Dentist told me 2 years ago was dead and needed to be removed) had fallen out during the night.

Now, I've never been one of those women that has to gussy up to go to the Grocery store, never spent a whole lot of time caring what I looked like. But this... I've seen the change in the way people look at me. I'm automatically downgraded in their eyes as soon as I open my mouth, regardless of the absolute brilliance and wisdom of my words .

I spent the first few days not talking. I could hear myself slurring my s's (I'm still working on that.) I find myself not looking people in the eye when I'm talking to them, because I hate seeing their reaction. Luckily, there are a few programs where I can get some help, for slightly less cost, and I'm digging through them now. The facts are however, that my boys have not been to a dentist in 2 years, one has a cavity starting and the other is losing a cap. They will be first, then I will find a way to get myself taken care of.

but, I digress...

Sicko - I realized while watching this that things HAVE to CHANGE. NOW! My problems suck, but PEOPLE ARE DYING! So I have to eat soup and mush for the rest of my life... big freaking deal, others are DYING!

What can I do? I've been writing letters to Legislators, opeds to newspapers, and I bitch about it here. Not enough.

Starting today I will do one more small thing (in the grand scheme of things, for me it will be hard. I'm usually very shy)... When I speak to someone, I will look them in the eye. I will make sure they are face to face with the problem. I will bring up Universal Health care in every conversation possible, strangers and friends. I will ask everyone, Have you seen Sicko? How much do you pay out of pocket every year for health care? Why do we pay twice as much as every other industrialized country for such dismal, sub-par, and frequently completely unavailable "care"?

WHY??! and what are YOU going to do about it?

Thanks for listening... We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
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Friends to watch the CSPAN with...friends who understand my book obsession...friends who have taught me so much...friends to argue with...friends to make videos with...friends to dissect the Plame outing with...friends to analyze the vote counts with...friends to laugh at the obscene antics of the freepers with...

And friends to hang out and drink yummy Portland micro-brews with!

Don’t hate me ‘cause I’m blessed.
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at least 15,000 attended

Liberals are clever

Anarchy kids trying to take Burnside Bridge

Followed them back downtown

Showdown at the Justice center

Local Celebrity sighting (Jim Hyde - local anchor)
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The fog is lifting
I wrote it after being here for about a year...

The murky twilight zone creepy fog of the 2004 election fraud, the Bush lies, the MSM blackout, lies leading to war, the stench of greed. Sounds are muffled, for months I can’t even see my own hands before my face! The fog is thick, viscous… whispering “sore losers”… “conspiracy theories”…

Wait! A spark of light, did you see it? Conyers, investigating! Another! Arenbeck calling for recounts… they faded so quickly, I wonder, did I really see that? Perhaps it was just an illusion…

Oh! I can see shapes in the fog! Others, wandering in this soup, confused as I, now reaching out to each other, clasping hands, no longer alone. Slowly, as more of us gather to each other, our voices combine, stronger, louder!

A brief ray of light illuminates Boxer and 32 members of the House of Representatives standing up, bursting though the evil fog surrounding us…and then the light is gone. Still we cling to each other, struggling through the fog. It’s a bit easier now, together, helping each other avoid the pitfalls of lies and propaganda, war crimes and atrocities.

I can just make out the faces of those closest to me now! Faces of every shade, every nation, all united by our desire for peace, for truth, equality and freedom.

Together, we are the Sun that burns the fog away.

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I feel a horrible parody of Weird Al parodying Willie Nelson coming on....

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The Sheeple are waking up, or at least smelling that whiff of shit in the air.

Do we let America die, or do we fight to get it back? Will we fight to preserve it, or participate in the downfall?

There's a choice to be made.
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I first posted this almost a year ago, after watching the author on CSPAN.
I've been thinking about his theory a lot lately, and I think it may help us understand the immigration issue that is currently running rampant through GD.
(I'm torn, myself, between both arguements)

Pay particular attention to the "map" that compares America's values to other countries. I've been watching this debate develop and how it's dividing Dems and Repugs alike. I flash on this map, and how it shows we are so very different from every other country, yet we have pieces of each deeply imbeded in our values.

review - is this crisis of values real?

Has America lost its traditional values? Many politicians and religious leaders believe so, as do the majority of Americans, based on public opinion polls taken over the past several years. But is this crisis of values real?
This book explores the moral terrain of America today, analyzing the widely held perception that the nation is in moral decline. It looks at the question from a variety of angles, examining traditional values, secular values, religious values, family values, economic values, and others. Using unique data from the World Values Surveys, the largest systematic attempt ever made to document attitudes, values, and beliefs around the world, this book systematically evaluates the perceived crisis of values by comparing America's values with those of over 60 other nations.
The results are surprising. The evidence shows overwhelmingly that America has not lost its traditional values, that the nation compares favorably with most other societies, and that the culture war is largely a myth.
The gap between reality and perception does not represent mass ignorance of the facts or an overblown moral panic, Baker contends. Rather, the widespread perception of a crisis of values is a real and legitimate interpretation of life in a society that is in the middle of a fundamental transformation and that contains growing cultural contradictions. Instead of posing a problem, the author argues, this crisis rhetoric serves the valuable social function of reminding us of what it means to be American. As such, it preserves the ideological foundation of the nation.

My Notes –

I found it very interesting…

Research shows we are not losing our values, we test the same now as we did 20-30 years ago.

Our values are a strange combination of Traditional and Self-expressive. This makes us the oddballs of the world. We are slowly becoming odder, moving more to self-expressive.

Link to World Values Survey site - /

Why are we so different? – in other countries, people are born into their countries values, in America, we are people who gathered together because of our shared values.

The conflict created within our society – this internal clash between strong traditional and strong self-expressive values creates a conflict within us and results in Cognitive Dissidence. As we move more towards Self-expression, the more extreme a crisis we envision. This is why the extreme right is becoming more extreme, they are reacting to the paradox, it makes them uncomfortable.

Traditional Values does not equal Conservative Values

Rabid Right latched on to his book, but only for the traditionalist parts – he says, “hold up. You need to read this book with one eye open. The left eye”

Embrace the Paradox

Q & A

Politics is estranged from the electorate – dangerous and it worries him.
“Our citizens are already there, & we are waiting for our leaders to join us”

Why did Kerry lose and Bush win? Kerry promoted the Self-expression angle, Bush promoted the Traditional. Traditional trumped Self-expression (in this attitude of fear and uncertainty) . Media was a large part of this, emphasizing the black/white view of things.

Abortion – when you ask the question : Is abortion murder – 50% say yes, 50% say no. divided along dem/rebub lines, pretty much.
But when you divide the question into sub questions – i.e.…Is Abortion acceptable when the pregnancy is a result of rape, is it acceptable when mother’s life is in danger, is it acceptable when child will be born severely deformed, or when it will create great hardship for family, Is Abortion a matter of personal choice? 80% of Americans answer yes. It’s how you frame the question, and media and politics knows this, uses it.

Seeing a trend towards Post Materialist values, we are becoming more concerned with quality of life than materialistic goals.

Voter numbers are so low because (darn – missed that part) but as we move towards more Self-expression, more people will vote. He sees the numbers rising greatly in next several elections.

Israel is pretty far from us on values map.

What do we do? (as activates, citizens) Find the common ground in our conversations, bridge the divide in our personal contacts with others – we think alike more than we know.

From Greater Democracy website…

Wayne Baker, author of the new book America's Crisis of Values, is quoted in a Detroit Free Press article as saying: "I believe that this culture war is a myth in this country... We think we're divided -- and we're really not."It's a question I've been pondering: If the United States is united, if Americans share the same core values of freedom, equality, justice, community, etc., why do we sense that we are deeply divided? Is it possible that the divisions we sense are not the ones we think? Is it possible that we are divided not by our values nor by our religious beliefs nor by our politics? Is it possible that the divisions we see (i.e., pro-choice vs. anti-abortion, fundamentalist vs. mainstream, science vs. religion, conservative vs. progressive, red state vs. blue state) are less divisions than they are symptoms of change?

More at link.


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We need the 45-50% who don't vote at all.

That huge demographic, and the parties just ignore them.
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We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine. And remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak, and to defend the causes that were for the moment, unpopular. This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy’s methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage, and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. We proclaim ourselves indeed we are, defenders of freedom where ever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. The actions of the Jr. Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay among our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his, he didn’t create this situation of fear, he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. Cassius was right, “the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves”.

Good night, and good luck."
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Newspaper sues for documents in NSA wiretap case
By Chitra Ragavan and Liz Halloran

Posted 3/21/06

The company that publishes the Oregonian newspaper in Portland has filed a motion in U.S. District Court in Oregon to unseal documents in a pending case that alleges the Bush administration illegally intercepted international phone conversations between the codirector of an Islamic charity and his two lawyers in the United States.

In a motion filed Friday, lawyers for the Oregonian Publishing Co. argued that it is in the public interest to know the contents of documents that could prove the existence of a potentially illegal domestic spying program.

"This appears to be the first case in which documents have been filed with the court demonstrating the National Security Agency's practice of wiretapping private conversations," said Charles F. Hinkle, a lawyer for the publishing company. "We are not interested in the content of the attorney-client communications. We are interested in what the government did."

lots more -

disclaimer: the Oregonian still sucks
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