I never counted you among the 'hive', for what it's worth. I was dismissing the juvenile supportes on both sides, and making it clear that just because I understand the impulse to provoke, doesn't mean I condone it.

I don't consider myself a hardcore Hillary supporter. I was behind Edwards, and could have tossed a coin either way after he dropped out. But I trust my gut, especially in politics, and while Hillary has many deep and varied flaws (I could go on for pages about her shortcomings if so inclined), I think Obama is a shyster and a con man who will lead this party over a cliff like the Pied Piper. I haven't forgotten his Bidenesque overtures to the Republicans and the "purple state" horsehit from not so long ago. Just wait until he gets his first NSA briefing. You are going to see capitulation, spin, and triangulation that would leave Bill Clinton dizzy. But it will be delivered with hosannas and amens to make it more palatable.

"Change" is one of the oldest saws in showbiz, I mean politics. Let's face it, "change" doesn't need a hard sell - by default anything but Bush or McCain is "change" on a grand scale. But I think the expectations for Obama are unrealistically high, and his hardcore base will either be disillusioned, or put themselves in deep denial and rationalization about his inevitable failures. There will probably be a split, and we will watch both sides go at it in April or so.

I am getting this out of my system now, while the race draws to its interminable end. I will vote for Obama, but any money I donate goes to the DNC to fight McCain. I can't get worked up about him. I smell snake oil with him, and have since he first emerged on the national scene. I have a built-in immunity to soaring rhetoric. I want, and demand, substance.

I have also posted in other threads that I would be very happy with Jim Webb as the VP pick. I would be less than excited about Richardson, Sebelius, or gawd forbid - Biden. They are all rank and file hacks of the old school. Especially MBNA Joe.

Anyway, there's the unvarnished ZombyTroof for you, as I have been delivering it around here for nearly 7 years. JenJen