omega minimo (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-14-09 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. There are certainly more voices here
that aren't allowed to speak, in this Group or elsewhere, who are interested in more wide ranging discussion, rather than bashing a group seen as fair game. Just the fact that numerous posts, including by that poster, accusing me of "being a troll" and "disruptor" were allowed to stand is problematic.

I apologized in the OP b/c I thought "science" meant science and that those voices or lurkers might resist the groupthink. Some did. Even one of those outways dozens of the willfully belligerent.

I'm interested in what people have to say that appears during group attacks as hollow and unjustified. These are smart people. There's got to be SOMETHING behind rather than personal pain and business agendas.

it's time to focus on what we want to see/be and not waste time fighting toxic blowhards

"Hey, what's your opinion on why the naysayers keep bringing up the indigo thing?"

They're "douchebags" and when they read this, they'll understand.

What I don't understand is some of the same people looking for/demanding support for their pet issues in GD and sub-forums, issues that marginalize them, are so intolerant, abusive and emotionally retarded in mob attacking others (including those with shared interests).

They are emotionally stunted and it doesn't matter the topic, as long as they can gather like a pack of jackals, tear it apart and GET AWAY WITH IT ON DU.

similar to
blind belief in "science" and the "rational" causing closed minds and hostile reactions to anything that pushes the envelope of the Already Known.

As different from true science as religion is from spirituality, as zealotry is from rationale.

mob swarms that organize somewhere on DU, including Groups and subforums

The Lounge is very middle school-like
Cliques and flirtations and popularity contests, "cool kids" and hangers on...and when someone says the wrong thing, they are attacked so the cool kids and wannabes can maintain their "ranking". Or something. I just used to find the Lounge amusing and didn't participate in the dramas. As I posted upthread, though, now I'm looking at the Loungers in a different light, with far less trust. They're no longer harmless to me; they have a dark underbelly.

GOOD POINT about the viciousness of the gay crowd. I noticed that too! It's like for once they're not the victim of the bigotry, and they're going to enjoy it and encourage it and keep it going for as long as possible. I expected them to be more tolerant because of their own experiences being on the receiving end of negativity.

Some intolerant bullies who may or may not be whatever subgroup but the bottom line is
they get away with what they do.

Why? How?

The answer appears to be -- after the most recent DUbacle -- is they serve the purpose of marginalizing others and being too busy being petty to promote their issues in the Big Forums.

They unwittingly serve to perpetuate and protect the dominant paradigm that is marginalizing them. It's win win!!



The scary part is the selfrighteousness about it, while ATTACKING SOME MORE

Poor things.

The mere prescence of a thread on a topic deemed "woo" by the self appointed arbiters of What DUers May Discuss OR NOT!!!1111!! is irrational, self righteous, info free, one liner attacks; delivered with the attitude of "what did you expect, you deserve to be attacked." preventing anything resembling discussion and shutting down and/or locking threads other DUers are interested in. This rabid zealotry appears as knee jerk and ignorant as any of the religious fundamentalists the science fundamentalists criticize.

Perhaps there are too many here who didn't grow up with or have access to the wealth of science fiction that inspired -- and continues to -- exploration of ideas and imagination, including science and futuristic technology, that peaked in the 70's/80's and went off a cliff with the rest of our culture after. It still exists, but the media masters like to regurgitate old ideas and not so much with the support of new voices/artists/writers that don't have Sure Thing written all over.

Even the comment that "so it's only a miracle if we'd predicted that this particular organism was going to be the result" seems like short-sighted and truncated thought. It's this limited scope of the possible, the willingness to shut down imagination and vision, including the inevitable merging of old ideas with new; and previous concepts thought separate seen with new awareness of interconnections.

This is the most vicious, hateful, inflammatory and intensionally damaging act I have ever see on DU.