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Posted by geiger in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Fri Jan 30th 2009, 10:25 AM
I know about his intelligence and educational background, and the opposition can continue to under-estimate him for all I care. The machinery they have put in place to discredit Obama has probably been their own un-doing, like when movie stars and politicians starting believing their own publicity. The R's have actually forgotten what they have put out there are lis. The Obama team has stayed on top of the bullshit and responded, not perfectly every time, but they have indeed gone after the lies.

What I love most so far is witnessing Obama's almost childlike exuberance in office. To that effect, he has also been well protected as well. He's got the Dream Team with him.

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Posted by geiger in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Fri Jan 30th 2009, 08:04 AM
You've got the other R out there, though, too, writing revisionist history. Neither one of these punks has any compunction about lying.

And aren't former House Leader Tom Delay and Ken Blackwell (failed OH SOS and candidate for Governor) organizing some new "think" tank to saturate the airwaves with more R lies.

I'll take any strategy, even if it's just a trial balloon, to fight the lies. Instead of "Top Ten Reppublican Idiots," maybe DU should start putting out a new list "Top Ten Best Democratic Moves." And Obama is right; politics and government are, indeed, inextricably entwined. It's always been that way, and there's nothing inherently wrong with it. The R's always want to call foul when the D's do it, but consistently employ any tactic or strategy they think will help them get power. They justify it in the name of "doing good" and "fighting evil," so they are blind to the evilness in their repetitively greedy, manipulative and dishonest stunts.
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Posted by geiger in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Jan 21st 2009, 03:16 PM
I purposely do not go into threads that read "Recommend if..."

If a thread is compelling enough to stand on its own, that is an accomplishment. If a thread gets recommended, it should truly be something special or important.

Please don't ask me to recommend your post; I undoubtedly won't.
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Posted by geiger in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Sun Oct 12th 2008, 08:58 AM
I recently had a very depressing conversation with my mother, who had just read Obama Nation by the Kenyan man who just got deported for trying to incite violence against the leadership in his own county. This is the same cynical opportunist that wrote "Unfit for Command," about John Kerry when the book in reality should have been about George Bush, as it looks like it is turning out to be.

Anyways,I understand the psychology about how people read and believe stuff that re-inforces other stuff that they already come to believe as truth, but nevertheless....

Here is what the publisher offers on amazon.com as a summary (Threshold Publishers is G.O.P. strategist Mary Matalin's conservative-minded imprint of Simon & Schuster's Pocket Books division, also reportedly in the running for publishing Karl Rove's memoirs): The book is characterized to "document:"

Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father and step-father's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn....
...-Barack and Michelle's 20-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Franz Fanon , Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X....
...-Obama's continuing connections with Kenya, the homeland of his father, through his support for the candidacy of Raila Odinga, the radical socialist presidential contender....
...-Obama's involvement in the slum-landlord empire of the Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko, who helped to bankroll Obama's initial campaigns and to purchase of Barack and Michelle's dream-home property.
-the background and techniques of the Obama campaign's cult of personality, including the derivation of the words "hope" and change"
-Obama's far-left domestic policy, his controversial votes on abortion, his history of opposition to the Second Amendment, his determination to raise capital-gains taxes, his impractical plan to achieve universal health care, and his radical plan to tax Americans to fund a global-poverty-reduction program
-Obama's nave, anti-war, anti-nuclear foreign-policy, predicated on the reduction of the military, the eradication of nuclear weapons and an overconfidence in the power of his personality, as if belief in change alone could somehow transform international politics, achieve nuclear-weapons disarmament and withdrawal from Iraq without adverse consequences, for us, for the Iraqis or for Israel.

Not exactly an "unbiased" scholarly work as it is marketed (now, hopefully you don't have to go buy the book), but I just have one question. Even if a person is a racist, like my mother is unfortunately, how do you expect an intelligent man to turn his back on his whole upbringing, ethnicity and roots. How can you expect him not to draw on his experiences to shape his belief systems? How could you not think he loves this country with every fiber of his being, with all the opportunities he has been afforded, coming from nowhere. How would you not expect his wife to be the proudest she has ever been in her life, to see the man she loves most overcome prejudice, cynicism and corruption, to be in the position that he is today.

Now that I think of it, I guess I have a second question. James Madison, one of our founding fathers and authors of The Constitution, once wrote something to the effect that the plurality of religions and religious beliefs would keep our democracy viable. Since when did the religion of Islam get scratched off the list? Even if you want to accept the premise that the present leaders of this country have entered into an illegal occupation of a country to fight extremists, that's what they are, they are extremists, who do not represent the majority of the faith.

The vile that spews from the mouths of the radical idealogues and their rabid followers about this decent and honest man (now even McCain has had to acknowlege this) is not befitting the principles and values that we are supposed to hold dear as a democracy. Or as loving Christians, for that matter.
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Posted by geiger in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Thu Apr 17th 2008, 04:53 PM
I don't even think they need to tell us the details of everything they will do; what I am looking for is an informed, rational, and common-sense approach to making policies and solving problems and keeping us safe. And I want someone I can trust. I wouldn't trust Hillary Clinton further than the next election competition. And did you notice how she kept referring to herself as the candidate and framing her answers in the context of "the reason I am running...." Obama answered questions resolutely and confidently with, "As President, I will...," "When I am President,...."

These women like HRC that have gone to hand gesture school are driving me crazy, too. It was difficult to concentrate on what she was saying because her hands were always making exaggerated movements, as if to show she's decisive and direct. Whereas, Obama just demonstrated with unflappable poise, dignity, respect and integrity how he is indeed a man who knows his own mind, and how he will go about investigating issues and making decisions. That's the kind of person I want for President, and I think a lot of others do, too.
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Posted by geiger in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Tue Feb 12th 2008, 05:41 AM
i'm a woman, i've been looking for excuses to vote for her for months. I cant get over the time she stood up on the Senate floor and asked Senator Byrd for some of his allotted speaking time to talk about whether or not to let George Bush have unilateral, unprecedented authority to proclaim a "war." Whatever you think about the Senator from West Virginia, it was clear that he tho't he had her "coming around" to his way of thinking.

She summarily took up the major rest of his speaking time, divided it btwn Joe Biden and herself, and then went on to speak in favor of the resolution Byrd was opposing. I think that's when, in shock, I could no longer be a CSPAN junkie. It was just too painful to take anymore. She is an opportunist and a liar and I just cant take it anymore.


amd furthermore, you can take all the quantitave anaylsis u want, but it dont matter no more. we're talking quality, sorry sincerely, and no disrepect intended. I am just FED UP.
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Mon Jul 16th 2007, 09:39 AM
revised edition by Kent State University Press (2007) now available.

clarification on edit: the title is, simply, Ohio Politics.

It's a collection of essays by various scholars and journalists, about all three branches of government, and it includes a chapter on legislators in Washington (called historically "notable" under-achievers) and a chapter that takes a critical look at the media's job of covering politics in Ohio.

The introductory essay that takes a circumspect look at the history of politics in Ohio is written by the father of Ohio history, George Knepper. The book is edited by Alexander Lamis, Case political scientist, and Brian Usher, who was a political writer and Statehouse correspondent for several Ohio newspapers and press secretary for former governor Richard Celeste. John Hubbell at KSU Press suggested the project, and guided it through to publication.

This book is well put together, and if you get discouraged about the present state of politics, you'll help yourself by putting things in perspective by reading this book. I started reading it this weekend, and was not disappointed.
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Wed Dec 06th 2006, 08:06 AM
harmful. I have the urge to be more circumspect about this particular election, however. If you read George Knepper's classic book Ohio and Its People, you get a real sense of the historic tensions and conflict in Ohio, whether it be over politics, religion, or regional development. Ohioans, until recently, seems to have been able to rise to challenges and overcome obstacles in a way that tapped into the diversity and wealth of the state, both in terms of its peoples and their traditions and the State's natural resources. It's like we've allowed ourselves to become paralyzed with uncertainty and fear over our differences, rather than use them.

There are new opportunities for economic development and at least at the university level we have the educational infrastructure to back it up, e.g., development of botanicals and polymers. There are going to be some missteps along the way, but I think we have to look for ways to seize opportunities. I think Strickland is making a big mistake putting Fisher in charge of economic development; to me it mirrors the early campaign move to isolate Fingerhut. Now it's like they don't want Dennis Eckhart around. Whatever you think of Dennis Eckart, he knows a lot more and has a lot more experience in economic development than Lee Fisher. Plus, Fisher is full of himself. You cant go around with an ego like that and expect others to check theirs at the door. A wise man in Wooster once said, "there is no limit to what a wo/man can accomplish as long as s/he doesnt care who gets the credit." So, in that respect, I am more worried about the Srickland-Fisher team than I am about Redfern and his operation.
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Tue Sep 05th 2006, 05:21 PM
"we get things done when we work together," makes so much sense, doesn't it?

A weirdly smiling Republican Mike DeWine speaks, a Republican part of the Republican machine that routinely shuts Democrats out of committee discussions and assignments, disallows Democratic legislation to move forward for any reason, calls Democrats Hitler-lovers for opposing a catastrophic military offensive....
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Mon Aug 28th 2006, 12:37 PM
The gubenatorial candidates have finally decided the Cleveland debate(On edit, I now see there are others scheduled for Cincinnati, Columbus and Youngstown, which is better, I think, than having them all in Cleveland).

I think some debates could be held in more rural areas like Wooster, where cutting edge technologies and a diversified economy illustrate how to get things done at the community level. This is how the state will move forward. The candidates could elevate the debates and move away from non-issue "issues" and name-calling.

Having all the "debates" in urban areas perpetuates an incomplete picture of Ohio and the "northern/southern Ohio" syndrome that pits geographic entities against one another.
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Thu Aug 17th 2006, 08:35 AM
This is good information. Pass it on....

Good to see old friends doing good.


CHRONICLE NEWS 8/17/06 VIDEO CLIP

http://www.chroniclet.com/Daily%20Pages/08...


by Stephen Szucs
The Chronicle-Telegram
ELYRIA — County Democrats came out swinging for gubernatorial candidate Ted Strickland on Wednesday, denouncing his GOP opponent Kenneth Blackwell’s proposal to privatize the Ohio Turnpike....
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Thu Aug 17th 2006, 07:39 AM
From the Columbus Dispatch
Thursday, August 17, 2006

To me, this report makes it sound like the Pryce camp is getting worried:

President Clinton’s former press secretary came to Columbus yesterday to talk up Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy’s chances of ousting seven-term Rep. Deborah Pryce, R-Upper Arlington.

No sooner did Joe Lockhart conclude his optimistic assessment than Pryce’s campaign attempted to turn his appearance against Kilroy, noting that Lockhart’s public-relations firm has represented a pharmaceutical company that favors the Medicare Part D program, which Kilroy opposes....


If you look at the best public relations firms, they have to recruit professionals and serve clients on "both" sides. Just because someone in Lockhart's firm may represent someone in a particular industry doesn't mean he has anything to do with it. This is how the public relations industry works and survives.

I think the Pryce camp has been taken off guard that Kilroy has attracted the high-powered support from the many corners that she has, esp national, bringing the race into the national spotlight (Kilroy astutely maneuvered that, not Pryce). Also to couch Lockhart's support as "ex-Clinton official help," as if somehow that "Clinton factor" is a bad thing, is insidious and cynical, but also stupid--doesn't Bush now have the worst approval ratings of any President ever, and isn't Clinton now the one who has to come to his rescue? If Kilroy is Clintonesque, that should be a good thing, now shouldn't it.

Maybe it's the Pryce camp that needs a new public relations firm....


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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Sun Jul 30th 2006, 01:47 PM
1. There is, always will be, some portion of the work force that has to work for minimum wage. The same forces that hold down wages overall (globalization, illegal foreign workers, union-busting, etc.) operate to assure that some workers always will be on the lowest rung of the ladder.

RESPONSE: a--neither Party had the courage, very recently, to deal with the issue of "illegal" immigration, although they put on quite a phony fanfair; b--union busting is illegal, also, but the real force at work is the exporting of jobs, which noone is or probably can stop, thus we need to find new products, services, energies....; c--the biggie, globalization: this Country, our Country, continues to ignore international law, international agreements, international protocols, unless it suits the political agenda du jour, thus we have no credibility when it comes to telling/advising/trying to strong-arm "less enlightened" countries on such issues as civil rights, human dignity and fair wages.


2. The 'free-market' beliefs that oppose minimum wage legislation also apply to employment discrimination laws, employee health and safety regulation, and even child labor laws. Should we ditch these worker protection provisions as well? Would business voluntarily abide by these restrictions?

RESPONSE: a--(discrimination)Much of the work force is already exempt (e.g., businesses with less than a certain amount of workers, Members of Congress), and the business people I know have enough enlightened self-interest to behave in terms of not discriminating as it applies to civil rights (at the very least, diversity in your work crew is a good thing when you are trying to relate to multiple constituencies/markets);b--(safety) the Bureau of Workers Comp basically forces safety provisions because if you want workers comp, which is required by law, you have to "play ball," about safety compliance by both employer and employee now; d--(child labor)as Hillary Clinton would put it, our "young people" today have no work ethic (put aside the notion of children working, except on the internet, but that's a different topic).

But, of course, I am not saying we ditch our commitment to any of these civil rights protections in our own country or any other for that matter


3. Yes, the state constitution is not the best place to codify minimum wage laws. However, under the current circumstances (Republican/business domination of Ohio government), it is the one viable way effectively to pursue this issue.

RESPONSE: I say, don't try to legislate the way people conduct their private business, ESP. when the laws won't apply to them anyway (how much of Ohio business is small employers anyway? does anyone have the statistics on this--I know it's the overwhelming majority, and the law wont apply to them anyway). You just piss them off. We need to be looking for ways to making it easier for businesses to survive. There are so many expenses and market forces beyond any one business' control; just filling out tax forms every month is onerous. There's even a private initiative out there right now, JUMP START, to help encourage economic development in northeast Ohio, but it's for businesses that can generate at least a million dollars a year in revenue. I think we need to be encouraging the mom and pop bread and bacon businesses in a tangible way. It's very hard, to stay in business, with such market volatility.

4. Having it on the ballot will help get the 'right' people to the polls in November.

RESPONSE: I know there are some people out there espewing this logic, but even our very pro-Labor senatorial candidate Sherrod Brown has conceded that he's not sure if it will help or hurt. I think if, on the ballot, it will boomerang, as did all prescriptive initiatives in the last Ohio election. In the last election, for example, the galvanized right couldn't even hold back stem cell research (Issue 1), but they did squash the stuff that had to do with telling them someone else was going to decide how they should think.

5. Raising the minimum wage will put positive pressure -- to some extent -- on business to raise the wages of others.

RESPONSE: then we need to publish the data and provide the talking points to make the case, at every level possible. I haven't seen it.
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Posted by geiger in Ohio
Fri Jul 07th 2006, 08:25 AM
"Consultant takes two sides," from The Plain Dealer on Wed, July 5, 2006, by Mark Naymik:


"Veteran political consultant Arnold Pinkney, has been hired by The Ohio Democratic Party 'to help coordinate its statewide campaigns,' including gubernatorial candidate Ted Strickland’s....

"Meanwhile, Pinkney will consult for the casino gambling initiative, Ohio Learn and Earn Committee. The committee’s proposal would change the Ohio Constitution to allow slots parlors at Ohio’s seven horse tracks and two sites in downtown Cleveland.

That means Pinkney is pushing the virtues of casino gambling while promoting Strickland, who doesn't support the issue."


Unbelievable.

Are we trying to win or lose?

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