Latest Threads
Latest
Greatest Threads
Greatest
Lobby
Lobby
Journals
Journals
Search
Search
Options
Options
Help
Help
Login
Login
Home » Discuss » Journals » impeachdubya » Read entry Donate to DU
Advertise Liberally! The Liberal Blog Advertising Network
Advertise on more than 70 progressive blogs!
Warren De MontaJournal
Posted by impeachdubya in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Thu Oct 04th 2007, 03:15 AM
Of course kids can organize Christian Clubs and have prayer meetings during non-school hours. That's not what you said. In fact, you wrote your line in answer to my question which was, and I quote:

"Is there any school endorsed religious activity that wouldn't seem innocuous to you?"

See that word? Endorsed?

It's in the blurb you quoted from the ACLU:

"provided no elements of school sponsorship or endorsement are present."

Of course people are allowed to pray in schools. But school prayer is not allowed. Do you understand the difference? No, you don't.

Post #21, here's what I said, and I quote: "Organized, School-Led prayer is unconstitutional. Kids CAN pray in schools, but the school can't endorse it."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...

That's what *I* said. In this thread. Yesterday. Yet, here, tonight, you think you're shining some kind of brilliant illuminating light of reason by informing me "Prayer is protected in schools, sorry but people are allowed to pray in schools." Well, gee whiz. Thanks for clearing that up. Did you hear on the AM Radio that mean ol' Atheists don't know that kids are free to pray in schools on their own volition, perchance? Right. Never mind what I actually said, you're having a grand old time arguing with some fucking straw man figment of your imagination, the God-hatin' Atheist who wants to rip the Bibles out of the wee childrens' hands.

Actually, given that there "is no evidence that there is anything resembling systematic suppression of religious activity anywhere in public schools." (your quote), we must ONLY exist in the imaginations of "some people"- probably those same full of shit "some people" who pretend they know more about the Constitution than they do.

Cough.

What you don't seem to get is the difference between the school allowing a Christian Group (or a Wiccan Group, or a Cthulu Group) to meet and pray, and the school HAVING organized, Christian (or Wiccan, or Cthulu) prayers as part of the Curriculum. The SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION posting a sign saying "In God We Trust" is a clear ENDORSEMENT of the idea that "GOD" exists. That is an ENDORSEMENT of a RELIGIOUS BELIEF. And as such, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

And the ACLU, which you have liberally quoted as an authority on this subject, is going to agree with me on that.



Discuss (1 comments)
Profile Information
Profile Picture
Warren DeMontague
Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your ignore list
DU Donor DU Donor
31806 posts
Member since Thu May 20th 2004
Oregon
My Forums
Democratic Underground forums and groups from my "My Forums" list.
Greatest Threads
The ten most recommended threads posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums in the last 24 hours.
StarStar
AlienGirl has passed away
15 recs : By Contrary1
Visitor Tools
Use the tools below to keep track of updates to this Journal.
 
Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals  |  Campaigns  |  Links  |  Store  |  Donate
About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.