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Posted by intaglio in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Tue Apr 15th 2008, 04:42 AM
Again and again I have seen supporters of Sen. Clinton say something on the lines of "Obama would be doomed in the GE - Americans will not vote for him,". Well again I must ask those who support Sen. Clinton to tell me how she can escape the following problems without being annihilated in the GE. I view these problems as being so large they might even affect the Congressional races and forfeit Democratic control of House and Senate.

I post these items in no real hopes that any of Sen. Clinton's supporters posting anything substantive in reply (they never have in the past) but rather to raise in the minds of the uncommitted the idea that Sen. Clinton's campaign would be a disaster of the first water for the US and it's allies.

My first two items are well known

1) Hillary has far bigger negatives attached to her candidacy than Obama. This translates as more people actively dislike Sen. Clinton and would never vote for her.

2) Hillary is the candidate the GOP has planned for for the past two years, they know how to challenge her and what to expect from her campaign.


My next points bring into play the manner of her "victory" at the Democratic Convention. Remember that the only way she can win is if the Superdelegates overturn the popular Democratic vote and Obama's larger number of pledged delegates. This would be seen, rightly or wrongly, as the triumph of the dirty machine politics of the past.

3) She would ensure - no matter what Barrack Obama said - that many non-partisan people of colour would either not vote or vote for the opposition. Note I do not say "Democrats" but "non-partisan"

4) She would alienate the young people who Obama has brought into the political process - and they will likely depart. Note I do not say "Democrats" but again mean the non-partisan young adults who, prior to Obama's candidacy, have viewed the political process as being outside their control.

5) Some, if not many, Obama campaign workers would not work for a Clinton Campaign so she would have to set up her own, new, organisation. I do not say they will not vote just that they will feel unable to work for someone they will feel has won unethically.

6) Her "victory" at the Democratic Convention would also lead to the ousting of the successful 50 state strategists in favour of the failed DLC apparatchiks; ie "Goodbye John Dean"

Now we come to specific campaign problems

7) Hillary cannot play her "Experience" card vs McCain, because he has more experience; nor can she raise problems with McCain's age as that tends to play badly for women vs men (I know it is wrong but the attitude exists)

8) Her known "mis-speaking" regarding Bosnia, Northern Ireland, MLK etc, etc would make Sen. Clinton a laughing stock vs McCain.

9) Sen Clinton cannot attack McCain on the grounds of "unsuitability" as she has already praised McCain as a viable presidential choice.

10) There would be constant airplay of past scandals - with the GOP media claiming that it is not biased it just shows how resiliency of Sen. Clinton

11) All of the new scandals about her donors (Hsu and many others) would be raked over and many of the old donor scandals would again receive airtime.

12) Hillary cannot escape her past support of Nafta and Cafta nor can she deny hat her husband and many other of her advisors are still in favour of these deals. In addition her campaign has shown just as many connections to the Columbian free trade initiative

13) The problems that Sen.Clinton has had within her campaign staff, plus her inability to plan beyond her original strategy will raise massive doubts about her claim to be "ready on day one,"

14) Her campaign finance problems will force her onto the defensive with regard to managing the budget of the USA. All the GOP needs to do is to ask "Can you trust her with your tax dollars?"

15) If Healthcare is brought into play then the GOP will just point out the disastrous failure of Hillary's first attempt at such legislation.

16) The GOP will raise questions about (fake) "Constitutional Difficulties" with chance that Bill not Hillary would be the real power in the White House; remember in the last months of the Roosevelt Presidency it has been said that Eleanor was actually in charge.


Although I have said I do not expect any answers to these problems, it would be a pleasant surprise to receive some. There are intelligent Clinton supporters out there and they will need to find answers if the worst comes to the worst and Hillary does receive the nomination.
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