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Man the 9/11 perps must think we are really stupid. Here are some new photos of "Flight 93 plane debris" that was apparently shown at the Moussaoui trail:
![]() http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/12/moussaou... (Scroll down to: "Gallery: Crash site of Flight 93") Ok, when you've stopped laughing, let's remember what we were told about the Shanksville crash scene. We were told the 155ft long plane buried itself 20ft underneath the crater (including the tail section apparently) because the ground was spongy from being refilled with dirt back in '96... ![]() The 115 ton Boeing crashed so hard at a nearly a 90-degree angle traveling 580 mph that the plane disintegrated. So much so that the coroner couldn't find a single drop of blood around the crash scene. But some how small scraps of debris no bigger than a notebook were found scattered in the woods perpendicular to the angle of the crash. NOW, we have these TWO BIG fuselage pieces "found" off in the woods that somehow escaped being buried in the crater and escaped being burned by jet fuel! Of course, what did happened to all the thousands of gallons of jet fuel that should have still been in Flight 93 when it crashed??? ![]() (Pic on left is from Flight 93 crash scene. Pic on right is a crash of a small leer jet.) Does anybody still think that a Boeing 757 crashed in Shanksville??? Let's review what Operation Northwoods said: THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF 13 March 1962 JUSTIFICATION FOR US MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CUBA 7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc. http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/04/opera... For those of you who still think Hani Hanjour -- or any of the other alleged hijackers -- crashed Flight 77 into the Pentagon, here's a challenge for you:
Go to a flight school that has a simulator for a Boeing 757 with simulated terrain. Have the flight instructors take off at or near Dulles airport and fly the 757 out near the Ohio/Kentucky border where Hanjour and his gang of merry thugs took over the plane. ![]() Then you will take over the controls by yourself... ![]() ...and turn the plane around and head back towards the D.C. area and try to crash into the Pentagon any place you wish. You can hit it from the side, from the top, or where ever. It doesn’t matter where you hit it as long as some part of the plane touches the building, even if it’s just the tip of the wing. ![]() Now here’s the catch, since Hani Hanjour was on a suicide mission, you have only ONE chance to commandeer the 757 into the Pentagon and since it’s hard to simulate the feelings of knowing you are going to die soon from crashing your plane into your intended target, you have to bet the flight school $10,000 that you can do it in ONE try. Oh, and you have to be going over 500mph the entire time. ![]() Think you could do it knowing you might lose $10,000 of your own money? Still think Hani Hanjour could have flown the plane into the Pentagon? Put your money where your mouth is and take the $10,000 challenge! http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/04/take-... The wing span of a Boeing 757:
The dimensions of the crater Flight 93 supposedly made while crashing at a "near 90-deg angle" going 580 mph: ► Crews Begin Investigation Into Somerset County 757 Crash "The plane then made a sharp, 90-degree downward turn and crashed. Officials said that they believed that the plane took a dip and nose-dived into an abandoned strip mine. WTAE-TV's Michelle Wright toured the crash scene and said that a crater of about 30 to 40 feet long, 15 to 20 feet wide and 18 feet deep was created by the crash." - The Pittsburgh Channel (09/11/01) ► Cell calls from planes reveal horror "At 10 a.m., the plane suddenly went down, crashing into rural western Pennsylvania, where it created a crater 30 feet across and 20 feet deep, and scattered debris for half a mile." - MSNBC (09/12/01) ![]() 757 wing span = 124 ft ![]() Crater length = 30-40 ft ![]() Oh, and the entire plane supposedly swallowed up by the ground: ► Small town shoulders a nation's grief "The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it." - St. Petersburg Times (09/10/03) ![]() So, how could a plane with a 124 ft wing span crashing "near 90-deg" only cause a 40 ft wide hole in the "soft dirt"? (And where did the tail section go???) ![]() ![]() Maybe this eyewitness at the scene knows: FOX News reporter: It looks like there's nothing there, except for a hole in the ground. Photographer Chris Konicki: Ah, basically that's right. The only thing you can see from where we where, ah, was a big gouge in the earth and some broken trees. We could see some people working, walking around in the area, but from where we could see it, there wasn't much left. Reporter: Any large pieces of debris at all? Konicki: Na, there was nothing, nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there. Reporter: Smoke? Fire? Konicki: Nothing. It was absolutely quite. It was, uh, actually very quiet. Um, nothing going on down there. No smoke. No fire. Just a couple of people walking around. They looked like part of the NTSB crew walking around, looking at the pieces..." - FOX News (09/11/01) See video clip here. You got NeoCon'd on 9/11! Let's Roll! The non-plane crash at Shanksville ![]() - DoD News Briefing on Pentagon Renovation - Saturday, September 15, 2001 Presenter: Mr. Lee Evey, Pentagon Renovation Manager Q: "That seems to indicate that it came to rest in ring C, the nose cone." Evey: "The plane actually penetrated through the ... E ring, D ring, C ring." "The nose of the plane just barely broke through the inside of the C ring, so it was extending into A-E Drive a little bit. So that's the extent of penetration of the aircraft." Original graph source: Pentagon Building Performance Report (PDF) See: Did Flight 77 really crash into the Pentagon? - The odd damage inside Usually the NTSB will issue a report for all planes that crash in the U.S. However, this is what they say about the four 9/11 flights:
The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and this material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: The Safety Board did not determine the probable cause and does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. - NTSB 2001 Index Consistent with a government cover-up! From the movie:
"Is there a plane in there?" "We don't know yet..." "What do you mean?" "...we're still looking for it...at first we thought it was in the hole, but there's nothing in there..." "It must have landed in the woods, we haven't found it yet.." "We're talking about a 757, here...it's a huge plane..." "Yea, we know...you can help us look for it if you want..." Watch the trailer here. Even their gallery photo's show no plane: ![]() ![]() Now compare them to the real crash scene photo's that also shows no plane. The truth is starring you in the face: ![]() ![]() Notice the long dry grass still seen all the way up to the rim of the crater which means no aircraft with tons of jetfuel crashed into the ground and caused this crater. In fact, you can still see some grass INSIDE the crater!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And notice no evidence of a 757's giant tail section that should still be sticking out of this crater if it really plunged into it! ![]() Learn the truth that NO BOEING 757 CRASHED at Shanksville either: What really happened to Flight 93? Another smoking gun that the WTC 7 was PULLED!
![]() ![]() ![]() "5:21:03 p.m. Approximately 30 seconds later, Figure 5-21 shows the east mechanical penthouse disappearing into the building. It takes a few seconds for the east penthouse to "disappear" completely." - FEMA (05/02) ![]() A fire did all this? ![]() The rest of the WTC 7 perfectly imploding: ![]() ![]() ~5:21:08 p.m. Approximately 5 seconds later, the west mechanical penthouse disappears (Figure 5-22) or sinks into WTC 7. ~5:21:09 p.m. Approximately 1 or 2 seconds after the west penthouse sinks into WTC 7, the whole building starts to collapse. A north-south "kink" or fault line develops along the eastern side as the building begins to come down at what appears to be the location of the collapse initiation (see Figures 5-23 and 5-24). ~5:21:10 p.m. WTC 7 collapses completely after burning for approximately 7 hours (Figure 5-25). The collapse appeared to initiate at the lower floors, allowing the upper portion of the structure to fall." - FEMA (05/02) WTC 7 perfectly imploded on it's own footprint: ![]() ![]() "The debris generated by the collapse of WTC 7 spread mainly westward toward the Verizon building, and to the south... The average debris field radius was approximately 70 feet. The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the facade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion." - FEMA (05/02) "...when you need to bring down a massive structure, say a...skyscraper, you have to haul out the big guns. Explosive demolition is the preferred method for safely and efficiently demolishing larger structures. When a building is surrounded by other buildings, it may be necessary to "implode" the building, that is, make it collapse down into its footprint." - HowStuffWorks.com And just in case you forgot: ![]() America Rebuilds: A Year at Ground Zero -PBS (09/10/02) Narrator: "World Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding. Larry Silverstein, WTC Leaseholder: "I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it.' Uh, and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." - Audio (Unidentified construction worker): "Hello? Oh, we're getting ready to pull building six." Luis Mendes, NYC Dept of Design and Construction: "We had to be very careful how we demolished building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and then damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area." - Audio See also: Was the WTC 7 pulled? ![]() 9/11 testimony censored Witness forbidden to mention attack in quoting defendant calling destroyed files Symbol's 'lucky break' "A former executive at Symbol Technologies said the company got "a lucky break when {its} documents were destroyed on 9/11" in the attack on the World Trade Center, according to a government witness in the fraud trial of that executive and two others. But the jury in federal court in Central Islip never got to hear the witness' entire statement yesterday because the judge overseeing the trial ruled it was too inflammatory to bring a mention of the terrorist attack into a securities-fraud case. The Symbol records involved had been subpoenaed by the Securities and Exchange Commission as part of a civil investigation into the company finances and were stored in the commission's office in 7 World Trade Center. They were among hundreds of cases of files destroyed when the building collapsed after the attack on the adjacent Twin Towers." -Newsday (01/14/06) "Aimed at the world's financial heart, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were designed to throw capitalism into chaos. In one respect they succeeded: Millions of crucial documents were vaporized in the tragedy, and the process of sorting the losses out has been difficult and has included charges of opportunism. A Citigroup lawyer, for instance, recently told a congressional committee looking into the bank's role in the WorldCom mess that she couldn't provide them with all the information they sought because some of it was destroyed in the attack on the World Trade Center. "Some further email records the committee has requested cannot be retrieved," wrote Citigroup Deputy General Counsel Jane Sherburne in an Aug. 7 letter to House Committee on Financial Services. "The backup tapes for external emails from September 1998 through December 2000, and for a short time period in September 2001, were lost when the building in which they were stored (7 World Trade Center) was destroyed in the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001." Maybe no financial institution lost more critical documents than the Securities and Exchange Commission, which had its New York regional office at 7 World Trade Center. While the regulatory agency was fortunate in that it lost no employees in the terror attacks, it suffered setbacks in a number of long-running securities investigations. In August, defense lawyers for several former executives of Rite Aid, who've been charged by the SEC with fraud and obstruction of justice, filed a motion seeking a delay in the trial, claiming some of the documents gathered by the SEC had been lost in the attack. SEC attorneys contend many of the original copies of those documents still exist at other locations but acknowledge it will take time to reconstruct all the evidence in the case. The SEC says the main problem it encountered was that an index for the documents in the Rite Aid case was destroyed in the attack -- not necessarily the documents themselves. A similar reconstruction of evidence had to take place in a decade-old insider trading case against several former executives of Motel 6, a chain of low-cost motels. The SEC settled the case against the remaining defendants in June. But before that could occur, it had to obtain a court order directing the lawyers for some of the defendants to assist the SEC in reconstructing files "that were destroyed due to the events of Sept. 11, 2001." In the Motel 6 case, the four remaining defendants, without admitting or denying the insider-trading charges, entered into a settlement with the SEC in which they agreed to pay fines and penalties totaling $798,000. In all, the 10-year case netted $6.36 million in fines, penalties and disgorged profits for the SEC. SEC officials won't discuss how many cases may have been impacted by the terror attacks, but they claim the lost information was limited to two weeks' worth of data stored on the agency's computers that hadn't yet been backed up. But it's clear from talking to securities lawyers who practice before the SEC that things haven't gone as smoothly as the agency would like the public to believe. "Regardless of what the regulators say, they lost a ton of files," says Bill Singer, a New York securities lawyer, who says one case he had pending before the SEC quickly settled because so many of the original documents were destroyed. "In my opinion it was a wholesale loss of documents." -TheStreet.com (9/09/02) Was the WTC 7 pulled? PENTAGON BUILDING PERFORMANCE REPORT 3.7 SUMMARY OF THE IMPACT At that time the aircraft had rolled slightly to the left, its right wing elevated. After the plane had traveled approximately another 75 ft, the left engine struck the ground at nearly the same instant that the nose of the aircraft struck the west wall of the Pentagon (figure 3.15) ![]() Killtown: Where? ![]() Photo Source: DoD ![]() The size of a Boeing's left engine. What could have knocked down the barbed wire fence, smashed through the floor of the wooden deck, smashed through the upper front port-side section of the power diesel generator and created a rear gouge in it's top in front of the Pentagon?
![]() CatHerder says it was Flight 77's right engine and flap track fairing under it's right wing that did all this: Area of fence to the right of the impact area partially flattened by the right engine of the plane... (obviously the right engine took out the fence to the right of those poles) and the entire back side of the fence has been torn away. The generator was hit by the right wing and engine before the 757 hit the building... Closeup of generator smashed in the front and gouged on the top - hard to image a missile accomplishing both of these. But if the right engine of a 757 hit the front of the generator, part of the wing could gouge the top. At the very least, something very large, and very heavy smashed into this extremely heavy diesel generator. Click the image on the left to view a large top-down image of the impact area, including the large diesel generator which is visibly damaged, and actually spun ~45 degrees from the impact! Most importantly it is spun ~45 degrees towards the building - if this was a missile or a bomb, the explosion could ONLY have spun it away from the building. - CatHerder: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 However, the NIST report seems to say that only Flight 77's right wing hit the generator and that it's right engine missed the generator and just knocked down the fence: 3.2 EYEWITNESS INTERVIEWS The aircraft pulled up, seemingly aiming for the first floor of the building, and leveled off. Probst hit the ground and observed the right wing tip pass through the portable 750 kW generator that provides backup power to Wedge 1. The right engine took out the chainlink fence and posts surrounding the generator. The plane approached low, flying directly over him and possibly clipping the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him, and struck three light poles between him and the building. He saw his colleague Frank Probst directly in the plane’s path, and he witnessed a small explosion as the portable generator was struck by the right wing. 6.1 IMPACT DAMAGE This is consistent with eyewitness statements that the right wing struck a large generator before the aircraft struck the building and that the left engine struck a ground-level, external vent structure. - Pentagon Building Performance Report If you look at damage to the generator, you can see that the front damage is above the middle of the generator (purple dotted line) which I measure to be about where the top of the fence line is: ![]() If my measurements are correct and if the right engine hit the top part of the generator, then the right engine could not have hit the fence and the gouge on top of the generator could not have been caused by one of the plane's flap track fairings even if Flight 77 came in level: ![]() Note that officials have Flight 77 coming in with it's right wing tilted upward which would seemingly make it more improbable that the flap track fairings caused the gouge on top of the generator: ![]() So the remaining questions would be: 1) If CatHerder's correct in that the planes right engine struck the generator and spun it 45 deg towards the Pentagon, then how could the right engine have also struck the fence and one of the flap track fairings gouged it's top? 2) If NIST is correct that the plane's right engine just struck the fence and only it's right wing hit the generator, could the small area of one of it's wings have enough force to spin the heavy diesel filled generator 45 deg toward the Pentagon and could one of it's flap track fairings have gouged a straight line in it's top while the generator was spinning towards the building? Seem more about Flight 77 and the power generator oddity. There are some photos of supposedly Osama bin Laden that looks like he is wearing two different gold rings on his right-hand finger:
![]() Now we have been told that the reason Osama attacked his is because he is a "fundamental extremist" Muslim. However gold jewelry is forbidden in Islam: Question of Fatwa: Dear Sheikh, I would like to know if Muslim men are permitted to wear golden rings, chains and so on. What about watches plated with gold and other similar objects? First of all, it is important to note that men are prohibited to wear golden rings or anything that is made of gold, and this prohibition extends to chains, watches and so on. Concerning watches that are plated with gold, Muslim scholars hold different views regarding them. Some say that is allowed to use such things if the amount of gold is very small. Anyhow, it is better to avoid such materials so as to be safe from any doubtful matter. The prohibition of gold for men includes pure gold, gold alloys, cut pieces, joined pieces, gold inlay, etc. As for gold-plating and gilding, some scholars are of the opinion that such articles are forbidden for men if it is possible to extract gold from them (by peeling or shaving, for example); if no gold can be extracted from it, then such items are permitted. Some scholars say that it is not permitted to wear an item which is wholly or mostly gold-plated, but if only a little part of it is gold-plated (like the hands of a watch, or the numerals, or the tiny points denoting numbers), then it is permitted. They say that the issue is its appearance, not its value: if the gold-plating is obvious and covers all the article, it is not permitted, because most people can not make the distinction between gold-plate and real gold, and some may follow this person’s example and begin to wear pure gold." - Islam Online Is Osama just a bad Muslim, or are those top photos with the gold rings not really him? (Notice too that some of the photos show him wearing a watch. I can't tell if it's the same watch or if it's gold.) The Iranian C-130's wing that hits an apartment building survives a direct hit:
![]() but both wings of a Boeing 757 that was said to have hit the Pentagon do not: ![]() ![]() Hmmmmm? Did Flight 77 really crash into the Pentagon? How were the remains of so many passengers able to be recovered as claimed, but so few pieces of plane debris are seen inside?
More... http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/12/63-ve... Snopes' Pentagon debunk attempt still gets posted by some people to try to squash theories that Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon.
Let's revisit Snopes' article real quick: "As eyewitnesses described and photographs demonstrate, the hijacked airliner dived so low as it approached the Pentagon that it actually hit the ground first, thereby dissipating much of the energy that might otherwise have caused more extensive damage to the building." So where did Flight 77 "hit the ground first" which "dissipated much of the energy" from the 757 before it supposedly crashed into the Pentagon as Snopes claims??? ![]() (Photo source: Our good ol' Military) For those interested, see my page that refutes Snopes.com's hilarious Pentagon debunk attempt. |
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