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Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Wed Aug 22nd 2007, 02:53 PM
They are going to go right along with staying in Iraq. I knew it from the minute they voted to give Bush more spying power on that FISA vote.

I would like to think this is a political game they are playing, but it is not. Rahm is in charge of messaging, and he just sent us the message. It sounds pretty much like shut up and vote to me.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) made a round of calls yesterday to freshman Democrats, some of whom recently returned from trips to Iraq and made news with their positive comments on military progress. "I'm not finding any wobbliness on the war -- at all," Emanuel said.


Democrats and the surge

Here are some comments from freshmen Democrats. Jerry McNerney will be hearing from me. We can't vote for him, but we donated. One by one they are selling out the people who cared for the big money.

Rep. Jerry McNerney (D-Calif.), who made waves when he returned from Iraq by saying he was willing to be more flexible on troop withdrawal timelines, issued a statement to constituents "setting the record straight."

"I am firmly in favor of withdrawing troops on a timeline that includes both a definite start date and a definite end date," he wrote on his Web site.

But in an interview yesterday, McNerney made clear his views have shifted since returning from Iraq. He said Democrats should be willing to negotiate with the generals in Iraq over just how much more time they might need. And, he said, Democrats should move beyond their confrontational approach, away from tough-minded, partisan withdrawal resolutions, to be more conciliatory with Republicans who might also be looking for a way out of the war.

"We should sit down with Republicans, see what would be acceptable to them to end the war and present it to the president, start negotiating from the beginning," he said, adding, "I don't know what the leadership is thinking. Sometimes they've done things that are beyond me."


Jerry, you get the award for the most "wishy-washy" statements ever made in the name of "bi-partisanship".

I think we should start asking for our donations back when they sell us out.

Yesterday I posted about the changing stances of Republican sort of turned Blue Dog, Tim Mahoney of Florida. He said in July things were bad, now he says things are going just fine.

Mahoney says Blue Dogs are hawks

The war support is our legacy from the DLC and more recently the Blue Dogs. War is good because it makes us appear strong on National Security...and other lies.

Mahoney said:

The president should be free to maintain troops in Iraq, if the purpose is to thwart terrorism. Meanwhile, the U.S. military needs to beef up its capability to fight terrorists elsewhere, including Afghanistan, he said.


If you have not read the new series from Open Left on the Bush Dogs and the Blue Dogs...start with this one and then scroll down the left for more. Matt starts with McNerney and Baird and their spin that we need to stay in Iraq.

Step One in The Bush Dog Campaign: Creating a Public Record

This is a great series.

The Blue Dogs and New Dems have pulled us far to the right. But correct me if I am wrong....the Blue Dogs are equally if not more hawkish than the New Dems about war and invasion and spreading Democracy.

Blue Dogs care about deal-making more than about doing what is right.

30 of the 41 yes votes to give Bush and Gonzales more power on the surveillance issue were Blue Dogs. Six were New Democrats, the rest were not affiliated with either that I could see.


They do not care what we activists think.


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