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Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Fri Dec 21st 2007, 03:54 PM
We are working to elect more Democrats. We elected more in 2006. Yet the votes on some serious issues are not changing.

Markos has a post up today that shows his concern as well. He talks about the fact that we the grassroots just can't match the lobbyists in power and money.

We don't have much power. In fact, we have very little.

As we've learned this year, Democrats in DC are more afraid of David Broder, Joe Klein, and Mr. 24%, than they are of their constituents. They are more concerned with Beltway opinion than they are with the national consensus. They are happier dealing with lobbyists than they are dealing with real people. They are more concerned with avoiding criticism than they are of delivering campaign promises.

So what can we do about it?

We've bitched and moan and pleaded and begged and threatened and cried -- and none of that mattered. We really can't hold up money, since quite frankly we don't have that much, and the lobbyists will always have more.

...."So what does that leave us? Well, we have one tool at our disposal, our only way to influence the behavior of our elected officials:

We can primary them.


He may be right. In spite of all the calls about getting out of Iraq, in spite of all the activities against the telco immunity in the Fisa bill....there were more Democratic votes than ever to fund the war. And Harry Reid deliberately put the immunity bill forward when he had a choice. It was a slap in our faces.

There appears to be a pre-set agenda in the Democratic congress. It worries me a lot, because many of us feel passionately about the way we invaded Iraq and may do so in Iran. I hear fear of Iran in the voices of Democrats all the time, and few take time to lessen that fear.

We have heard that we must elect more Democrats. I want to agree. I really do. Then I saw the vote this week for the Iraq funding bill without any conditions of withdrawal. An overwhelming number of Democrats voted for it in the House and the Senate. It showed me there is no intention at all on the part of the Democrats to use their constitutional power of the purse to end the Iraq debacle.

Here is the list posted here by DU poster Pro Sense. It includes the Yes votes from both House and Senate.

House:

78 Democrats:

Altmire
Baird
Barrow
Bean
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Boren
Boucher
Boyd (FL)
Boyda (KS)
Brown, Corrine
Carney
Chandler
Clyburn
Cooper
Costa
Cramer
Cuellar
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis, Lincoln
Dicks
Dingell
Donnelly
Edwards
Ellsworth
Emanuel
Etheridge
Giffords
Gillibrand
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green, Gene
Herseth Sandlin
Hill
Hinojosa
Holden
Hoyer
Kanjorski
Kildee
Kind
Lampson
Larsen (WA)
Levin
Lynch
Mahoney (FL)
Marshall
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Murtha
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross
Ruppersberger
Rush
Salazar
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Sestak
Shuler
Skelton
Snyder
Space
Spratt
Tanner
Taylor
Udall (CO)
Visclosky
Walz (MN)
Wilson (OH)

Senate Roll Call

21 Democrats:

Daniel Akaka,
Max Baucus,
Evan Bayh,
Thomas Carper,
Bob Casey,
Kent Conrad,
Byron Dorgan,
Daniel Inouye,
Tim Johnson,
Mary Landrieu,
Carl Levin,
Blanche Lincoln,
Claire McCaskill,
Barbara Mikulski,
Bill Nelson,
Ben Nelson,
Mark Pryor,
John Rockefeller,
Ken Salazar,
Jon Tester,
Jim Webb


When you keep funding a debacle with no end in sight, it soons becomes your own debacle. You own it. No matter how often you call it Bush's war, the fact remains that the majority party is funding it.

On another front.....there is the effort to protect corporations who have the nerve to claim that they did not know any better. I can just imagine an average citizen standing before a judge and pleading ignorance of the law.

So many Democrats voted for cloture for the FISA bill last week....the one with immunity for the telecoms...that it is so much easier to post the ones who did not vote for it to pass out of committee. Harry Reid had a choice of another bill, one without immunity. He knew that was the one preferred by Democratic activists. He chose the one WITH immunity.

To me this is serious vote...those who voted YES knew that the majority of their party were totally against excusing the telcos on this issue. They showed their lack of concern for our views. So, thanks to the NAYs.


Senate Roll Call on Fisa bill with immunity

NAYs ---10
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 14
Biden (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Obama (D-IL)
Sanders (I-VT)


Only ten Democrats heard the grassroots and the hundreds of thousands of calls, numerous emails and letters. Only ten of them.

78 Democrats voted to continue this war without conditions attached.

I thought we could make a difference, but they say we have nowhere else to go. I thought that being active in the party would get them to take stands, but now I am having some doubts.



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