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Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009)
Fri Jun 20th 2008, 08:16 PM
I don't have the entire voting list...waiting for someone else to dig them out of the voting roll.

But I found this blog with some interesting notes about the ones who voted yes.

RIP civil liberties – with House roll call of surprising turncoats


Call it a “supercave,” in fact, if Kit Bond likes it this much:

“I think the White House got a better deal than they even they had hoped to get.”

..."About 45 percent of Democrats crossed the aisle, 105 in all, with just one Republican, Illinois’ Timothy Johnson, joining the 128 Democrats in opposition."

..."Among Texas Democrats, locally, Eddie Bernice Johnson voted no. Turncoats include Silvestre Reyes, of course, Nick Lampson, Chet Edwards, Al Green, Gene Green and Ruben Hinojosa. (More below on the surprising, even shocking, amount of turncoats in the Congressional Black Caucus.)"

...."Nationally, more surprising turncoat Dems include Norm Dicks, Jane Harman, Colorado’s Mark Udall, Bucks County, Pa. freshman Patrick Murphy, who I had hoped wouldn’t be that much of a Blug Dog type, and Steny Hoyer, refuting Glenn Greenwald’s alleged insider news that Steny would be hypocritical enough to vote against it after pushing for it.

Also, stalwart black Democrats and Congressional Black Caucus members like Jim Clymer, Alcee Hastings, Sanford Bishop, Corrine Brown, G.K. Butterfield, Emanuel Cleaver, Artur Davis, Gregory Meeks, Laura Richardson and Bennie Thompson, who should know better based on government spying on Martin Luther King, if nothing else, were also turncoats. All told, about 25 percent of the CBC caved.


Here is the complete list

I was especially disappointed in Patrick Murphy, Tim Mahoney, and Kristin Gillibrand. Two of them I supported as DFA List candidates.

Daily Kos had a special tribute to Nancy Boyda who was not going to vote for it. She voted yes in spite of these words.

"Here's the question: Do we want the United States government spying on Americans without a warrant? Ladies and gentleman, that is the issue that's at stake here. I say absolutely no, we do not want the United State government spying on Americans without a warrant. But President Bush says that's ok.... and the Republicans in Congress are sticking with him.... Our democracy depends on open and honest debate, and this is nothing of the sort."

http://www.dailykos.com/main/4


From the same Daily Kos link: Tim Mahoney and Michael Arcuri were against it.

"I am not going to sign it," said Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.) a member of the Blue Dogs. "I just don’t think it is necessary."

Fellow Blue Dog Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-N.Y.) agreed with Mahoney, saying he would not subvert the rules process by signing the petition.

"I like the House version of FISA better than the Senate bill anyway," added Arcuri.


They both voted yes when the chips were down.

In effect today our Democratic leadership told us we did not matter, that our views were not important. Many who said they were against it....voted for it.

The president got a very good deal.






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