Has anyone started any type of movement about this? If not I think that it would be a great idea. The show where bosses go to the job and spend a day with one of the grunts to see what is involved with these "grunt jobs" - gave me the idea. A woman garbage collector literally had no break time in her schedule, so she brought along a "container in which she could urinate" - the Pee Cup.

With the way that corporations are cutting down workers and making the remaining workers work harder than ever before, that is what jobs - if you are lucky enough to have one - has come to.

I think that people should get paper cups and write or print the name "PEE CUPS" for all of the employers that are abusing their employees. These corporations should have thousands and thousands of PEE CUPS sent to CORPORATE OFFICES and WASHINTON (some laws for the right of workers need to be enforced and/or reinstated) dialogue needs to start like yesterday.

I know I feel like sending my place of employment this, although I would personally direct it to my bosses boss, she is one of those trying to get blood out of rocks and will walk with her spiked heels over everybody to make herself look good.

Of course sending literal PEE CUPS filled with PEE might even be better. What do you think?

Thats the new attack weapon against the Dems. Being labeled "Socialists" - like thinking in terms of "for the good of all" are somehow dirty words now. If the Repubs want us to buy it.....most eventually will. I am so disgusted with it all. How do you make a person care for another person? How do you "sell" someone dying from starvation or lack of adequate health care is unacceptable? So many of those same people that are in church every Sunday talking about Jesus and Christianity....... It makes no sense, it never will and it is a a waste of time trying to figure it out. All that I know that IF it ever gets any better, it will take decades, I won't be around to see it. I hope that my children and/or grandchildren will see the light of life during their lifetimes. I was fortunate enough to have somewhat of a glimpse of it. I'm sure many of you did to, we were lucky, it was never perfect, but it was sweet.

The train wreck may have temporarily slowed down, but not slow enough. We still have 2 wars, only talk about 1. The republicans, whether they are in the majority or the minority seem to control this country....I have backed so far out of the Democratic undergroun that my ass is getting sunburned.

Big Business vs the Working People - that is what it is about. Nothing else, not any more.

He has started a phenomenal MOVEMENT and I am so excited about what I have witnessed.

two people individually, but the hundreds of thousands that will vote for them.... THAT, to me is the worst thing about all of this.

There will always be scoundrels, clowns crooks and crazes out there trying to get power, but why oh why are there so many lazy dumb fucking people who will vote for them??? Seriously, this has really been bothering me the most lately. There is no good reason why so many in this country could even believe that those two would be a viable choice. I almost came to somewhat understand the insanity of putting W in office....Not that I ever agreed with it (Hell I fought against it all that I could), but with the glibness of the electorate after a great 8 years with Clinton with the biggest worry we had was -who was blowing Bill-, and then the shock of 9/11 - well, there was some understanding, but NOW it just makes me really really sick.

One thing that would be pure justice is if everybody that votes for McCain (and GOD FORBID he ends up in the WH), would be the first ones in line to go to Iraq and kicked off of every Government Entitlement Program out there. Consequences for their "beliefs" to me would be a good start....

I don't know how could 40% + of the electorate support them?

THAT IS WHY HE IS SUCH A POWERFUL LEADER, his effect on people is to make so many just want to achieve a better level of being. He is speaking to our dreams and souls, not to our fears.

I don't know what will happen in this election. I know one thing though, for the 1st time in a long time, just being and having someone to believe in will be enough. I feel so very honored to be able to witness this man with the funny name, Obama.

I was too young to be moved so by the Kennedy's. I am not too young to realize that, if lucky, sometime in our life we will be blessed by a gift so much greater than ourselves, that by simply accepting it, we are rewarded in a way that give us peace and humility.

I am ashamed of my peers.

I used to be a HRC fan, back in the 90's, Incensed at what was being said about the Clinton's stirred me to my very soul. I became more and more activated and vocal about the "raw deal" that the Clintons were handed in the 90's. The 2000's have been a nightmare. During which I have seen things that really disturb me to the point wanting to become one of the "silent majority".

So many Dems voting for the IWR, (including HRC and her excuse about being persuaded by Bush and the threat of WMD really is a hoot considering that HRC was IN the WH w/access to 8 years of information about Saddam. For her to be fooled by Bush when I, who wasn't in the WH and wasn't privy to all of the info and people that she had access to IS PATHETIC) Her subsequent votes and stances were very hawkish and she really never admitted that going into Iraq was a horrible mistake until YEARS after we were in, and it was quite obvious to anyone with an IQ over 100, that there was a horrible horrible decision made.) following up with her hawkish votes on Iran and her missteps on the Bankruptcy Bill.... Sure everybody makes errors, but combine those errors with THE MEDIA telling all of us that HRC would most certainly win the DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION 2 years BEFORE HRC even committed to running set off my alarm bells. Why would the media do that when they say, that in politics things can change overnight? Why did practically ALL of the pundits say this over and over again for 2 years????? What did they know that we did not? Where was their information coming from? Before 1 Primary was run, before HRC announced her candidacy, the media had her running and winning the Democratic Nomination for President? Since, when the fuck does my vote count with that being rammed down your throat for years?????? Were they trying to get us all USED to the idea? Much like Bush sold us Iraq? Were the powers that be driving this news story to get us all over sticker shock?????? I mean haven't the American People accepted all kinds of atrocities since Bush got in office?????? We are all on valium (maybe in the water) by taking all of the horrible things that we have taken and not been rioting in the streets. They know how to get us to "accept" things that we ordinarily would never have accepted a couple of decades ago.

Then there is Bill's new buddy Poppy BUSH, golfing together, doing humanitarian things together, sitting together at wakes and I ask, where is Jimmy Carter? Isn't Jimmy Carter a DEMOCRAT? Don't we get crucified on this board and sometimes thrown off for "appearing" to promote or accept Republicans? BUT when Clinton somehow strikes up a new friendship w/ Poppy....not Jimmy Carter, we all say - "isn't that nice"?????? WHILE his son is responsible for taking us to war on false pretenses, destroying our economy, taking away our rights......

Of course HRC's own behavior since the threat of Obama started becoming serious and started really threatening her chances to actually waltz into candidacy for the WH has really pushed me FIRMLY over the edge. I don't care that she could be the 1st woman in History to become POTUS. She would be an EMBARRASSMENT to my sex and is an embarrassment to my sex, WHY????, because I thought that we would be better than that. I thought we that we were as capable if not more so than any man to be POTUS. HRC has changed me from being a supporter and admirer in the 90's to being embarrassed and angry with her in 2008', no small task, believe me this is one change of mind that I didn't want to have but....Bush and Clinton, Clinton and Bush - come on, I didn't just fall off of a turnip truck, I wonder though, why did so many of my peers?

Do we now KIND OF understand how this adversarial relationship exists and WHERE this adversarial relationship might go?????

Seems pretty self explanatory to me. Many of us here are supposed to be Democrats - all in the same party, yet when we have different opinions - boy - do negative behaviors surface. To me, it seems when many favor a particular candidate, they are willing to turn a blind eye to much of the misdeeds of their chosen candidate. And in defense of being right and loyal(?) will disregard a direct contradiction in Democratic Ideals. Democrats may have a bigger tent, but they appear to have housed just as many or possibly more fools in the process.

What is the worth of winning? Surrendering our ideals and hopes to fall in order of the almighty "WIN"????? Does stroking our ego and "being right" mean more than honest evaluation? Would we accept some of the lies and behavior from our family/children?????------Wait who am I kidding. Of Course, it happens everyday.

My loyalty isn't a done deal, it is an ongoing and earned every day and if somebody shows that their behavior isn't worth my loyalty and respect I take it from them and if no one else is there to receive it then I hold onto it, because it is a precious gift not to be given lightly or blindly.

I don't want endless fighting, but I won't give a pass to a political leader that starts acting like the opposition either. ME winning isn't as important as retaining my conscience and integrity.

I liked Hillary until about 2- 3 years ago the MSM started talking about how Hillary was the inevitable Democratic Nominee for POTUS in 2008. All of the political pundits were talking about this, so matter a fact, that I was astounded. Day in and Day out MSM touted HRC as the inevitable. They talked about this adnauseum. I used to wonder: where they were getting their information from? Why did everybody and their mother keep telling us that HRC was the next candidate of POTUS for the Democratic Party and that she would probably win the election????? To get us used to the idea? To sell us HRC the way they sold us the Iraq War? I mean HRC hadn’t even committed to running for the office yet. She never would say that she was going to run, but the pundits had her running and winning……

Then there was Bill. Bill became new best buds with George Sr. They palled around doing work for “humanity”. Not so bad on the surface right? They are past POTUS and they should be doing work for the human good, right? Where was Jimmy Carter in this paling around though? Why didn’t he make it a threesome? OR better yet why didn’t Bill pal around with Jimmy Carter, aren’t they both Democrats????? Why was Bill all of a sudden, sleeping with the enemy?

Then there was the state of our union. Our country was going to Hell in a handbag. We were deceived into a never-ending war, where billions of dollars would be spent for the war and billions of dollars would just all of a sudden disappear - totally unaccounted for. Our economy was shredded and then flushed down the toilet; some of our constitutional rights were being taken away. Our Democratic leader was Bill Clinton. Where was he? Where was his voice for us? Why was he so near totally silent about this? Oh sure, once in a while we heard a quip here and there from Bill, but NO WHERE near what we should have heard. AND most of his quips were generally pretty self-promoting.

Now lets go back to the MSM (Corporate owned and controlling Media – the thought police), Where has the news from Iraq been? All we hear now is that “2 more soldier killed in a roadside… and now for Brittany. The stock market took a plunge, The housing market has listed 50,000 foreclosures for the state of RI, The Feds are talking about dropping the interest rate…..The price at the pump…. the price of oil is over $90.00, the price of oil is under $90.00.

The vast majority of news has shifted from talking about the Iraq War to talking about the economy. Just a sign of the times????? Just happened?????? I don’t think so. What were the Clinton years fondly remembered for? Great economic strides, balanced budget, budget surplus, great economic growth… How convenient that the shift of the focus has been taken from Iraq….Hillary’s biggest blunder to the economy the Clinton’s most positive memory. Coincidence? The MSM who sold the Americans the Iraq War and pounded it in our heads -day and night- what a bad guy Sadam was, and how he had WMD was now telling us that Hillary was the inevitable Democratic Candidate for POTUS and would probably win.

If Iraq were still dominating the news, where would Hillary’s support be? If she were to be grilled about her vote in the proper way without all of the tiptoeing that has been done around the subject, how would her standing be right now? What if she were asked “if GWB took us into Iraq and the war handling wasn’t bungled; would she be for it then?” “What if GWB went into Iraq and actually succeeded finding Sadam right away, found some WMD, nothing too lethal, would she still say her vote was a mistake??” Isn’t the question or shouldn’t the question be about the concept of our right to force our ways and beliefs onto foreign third world countries? Isn’t that the bigger question? Isn’t that THE question? HRC always falls back on “if GWB didn’t screw things up so badly”, well HRC what if he didn’t? That is the question I want posed. That is the question that I want asked. Would she then feel vindicated about her vote and support it? Was going into Iraq AT ALL NECESSARY, according to her beliefs and ideology? Why were we (and her especially) so concerned with Sadam, when we had Bin Laden still running around?? Why was there so much focus on Sadam when we had troops in Afghanistan going after the (supposed) perpetrator of 9/11. Why did she go along with the song and dance that so many other prestigious Democrats saw thru? She had access to Intelligence that others didn’t see? O.K. Hillary, so you believed Bush and you believed major flawed Intelligence and you knew that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 and that we were in Afghanistan and that we didn’t have an infinite number of troops and forces to conduct a war on two fronts…you did know that now didn’t you? I knew that Bush was a fuck up, why didn’t you? YOU KNEW that Rums field, Wolfowitz, Cheny all wanted to go back into Iraq since 93’, to get Sadam, after all you were in the WH and knew exactly what was going on, yet you “fell” for the BS of GWB? I don’t believe that, sorry.

If Iraq was still dominating the news and the proper questions were being asked to HRC, she wouldn’t be anywhere near the support that she has now. The news dominating the airwaves on the economy is the one of the most important factors for her success. The news cycle being minimized on Iraq is also critical for her success. Coincidence? Or are the stars aligning…….

Then of course we cannot forget the3 stooges, McCain, (Moe), Romney (Larry) and Huckabee (Curly). If there aren’t a more sorry ass bunch of candidates, please, please tell me? These 3 jokers will also help ensure a Democratic Candidate succeeds to the WH. McCain said the stupidest thing when he admitted not really knowing much about the economy and just basically is running on Bush’s record for National Security. Romney, has a different stump speech with different promises to each state and has shed his skin a few too many times to be believed. Well, Huckabee, he is entertaining now isn’t he?

I don’t like being told who to support. I don’t like MSM trying to control the conversation in such an overt way. I don’t like our public figures sleeping with the enemy to get back into the WH. I don’t like “the powers that be” running our country.

Back in the 90’s and up until 2005’ or so, I really liked and admired HRC. What I have seen though, in the few years has been very troubling and disheartening. I am disappointed to be sure. The Clintons acting so in sync with the Bush’s and the MSM has convinced me that my choice at the polls isn’t really about choice but about “appearances”. The appearance that we still have a Democracy intact and that our votes really do mean ….something….even if just a little bit.

Yes, if HRC is the candidate for the Democratic Nomination, I’ll be the good doobee and vote for her. Even though it won’t mean a thing. Because if we don’t vote, if we choose to sit home we will be criticized to. Even though I don’t believe my vote really means anything and that it may be just a robotic motion helping some believe that we live in a Democratic Society.

I am watching Obama though, he is the dark horse that entered into this race and and brought with him a bright light that is shining thru all of the murk and the fog of corporate control and he is getting attention that nobody really thought he could. If he ends up as our nominee, I will feel a little bit better about our votes and the State of our Nation.

JE has been on the National scene since what....02 03???? Not winning yet anywhere, not taking off with any kind of momentum????? JE has charisma, good looks, great speaker - great (?) story....yet he is showing middling at best - why? Maybe because he isn't as "charismatic, great speaking and appealingly good looking" to people outside of DU, where I see him heralded as the 2nd coming....... He certainly never connected to me and I (unlike many voters) looked at his record in the Senate and really cared about his ORIGINAL vote and co sponsor of the IWR as well as the Patriot Act, Bankruptcy, Yucca Mountion.... Most voters don't even look at that...I guess he just really is not as charismatic as some would like to think, I guess his message isn't touching hearts as much as he would like..... I am frankly relieved, because I don't know which JE would actually show up in the WH if he were elected and anybody who is POSITIVE that they know is ....well....a bit too trusting.

Clinton on the other hand, somewhat had my support. After all, why not a woman in the WH????? She is certainly knowledgeable enough and smart enough. After the 90's and the way that they Clinton's were crucified I was hoping that Hillary would get in the WH and of course bring Bill to just spite all of the assholes that made it their lives work to attack them in the 90's.... I became dismayed when I saw Bill and George (I) paling around together so much though. As a Democratic leader, I expected him to stand up for us and speak out against GWB II and the policies that were being enacted. No, he was pretty quiet and basically serving as goodwill ambassador with GB I, instead of actually continuing as a Democratic Leader. Meanwhile, MSM started talking about HRC being the inevitable Democratic Nominee 2 years ago, before the race began and before HRC even decided (?) to run. I began to feel like this was being shoved down our throats - so after a while, I regurgitated it back up. Where was the integrity of Bill? Where was the leadership of Bill? I don't care that he was a "former" President, he is still active and he is still vocal when it comes to defending himself and speaking up for his wife. Self serving, not public serving.

HRC is now NOT someone I can actively support for POTUS. Not that I question her capability....but I do - in a big way - have come to question the INTEGRITY of the Clintons and their seeming friendship with the Bushs......I now believe that HRC will continue on with some of what Bush has done...... She will SAY what sounds good, but what she does will be a bit different if she gets into the WH.

Obama, is holding his own. Coming into the national spotlight way after Clinton and way after JE, he has made impressive strides. He does stand for hope in that he as an African American can break thru another wall that we must crumble. He was on the right side of the Iraq question from the beginning. Even though he is my Senator, I really don't know as much about him and his potential as I would like to. He is newer to the National Scene and we are watching him to learn more about him. On surface - he looks great, but for myself, I need more time and a more in depth observation on him. The next many months will tell me much.

As you can see, there is no one that has my heart and my head as of yet in the Democratic Party. Gore was the only one that could have claimed both. I guess expecting another candidate as formidable as Gore would have been asking too much. But I wait and I watch and when it comes time to vote for POTUS, I will vote, but this time - yet again - it may be a vote against the GOP rather than a vote being made with passion and hope.

2000 was horrible. Light, hope, truth and honor gave way to dishonesty, theft, lack of morality and the rebirth of true evil. I never blamed Gore for gaining weight and growing a beard after what happened in 2000. I would have reacted much much worse. I admire Gore, and my soul and heart go with him. A man that wasn’t equipped for sound bite – glossy - superficial modern day Americans. People that were more concerned about being able to have a beer with the POTUS, than the candidate’s credentials, integrity and morals.

In 2003, I knew without a doubt who would be the best choice as our Democratic Nominee for POTUS. I was motivated like no other time in my life; I felt as though there still were heroes out there and true patriots – true humanitarians and real brilliance. Even though my guy didn’t make it, I supported Kerry. I wasn’t pleased with his choice of running mates, but I supported the ticket anyway. I went to and led Kerry Meet ups in my area, I passionately argued and tried to educate some of the people around me. My motto then and now, one person at a time. Just imagine, if we all just converted one unsupporter to a supporter, we would double, literally double overnight.

Soon after the 04’ loss, real depression set in. How could something this absurd have happened and how could something this horrible not propel masses to the streets in protest? I concluded that there must be something in the water (like prozac) and we are all being lulled into complacency. Then this kind of strange insulting thing started happening, the MSM started talking about HRC as the inevitable Democratic Nominee in 08’, even before she committed to even run for POTUS. Bill and George became best of friends and we started to become hammered over and over with all of the talk of the inevitability of HC. I became alive again, indignant, I wondered – how could they do this? Do they think that they are going to ram her down our throats and make the decision for us? For the first time in a long time the Dems and the Repubs agreed on something. HRC was the inevitable 08’ Democratic Nominee. Of course my alarm bells went off. Conspiracy! They think if we hear it often enough we will accept it, it will become reality.

The other “presumed” frontrunners surfaced, JE basically started running right after 04’ was over and waited a respectable enough time to all, for mourning, and then he bedded down in Iowa and made his plans. Others toyed openly with the idea of running for POTUS and of course DK was in. The hope that most of us had was that Gore would come back and reclaim his rightful place. He had been recovering from the blow of 2000 and slowly finding himself and became so successful that an Oscar and the Nobel Peace Prize would soon become his. Another crushing blow came when Gore never entered the race. I don’t really blame him, but boy did I have my heart and soul once again engaged and let down. So, now what?

Obama was now in the race and he was somewhat respectable, at least he was smart enough not to be in favor of Iraq. He did have a different feel about him than most of the other candidates. I had no real enthusiasm though for any of the candidates though. DK couldn’t win (much to our loss) JE seemed the Democratic mirror image of Romney – on both sides of too many issues, handsome and charismatic, very successful in the private sector but lacking in real strong public political identity. I remember him being for the war, before he was against it, I remember him voting for the Patriot Act before he became against it, I remember him talking about going after Iran, before he retracted it, I remember him voting for Bankruptcy bill before becoming the champion for the middleclass.

Then Iowa happened and the inevitable came in third place. WOW, the inevitable lost. The voters had a different opinion than did the MSM. JE came in 2nd, even with less recognition than Obama, less time in the race - Obama raised as much or more money than did HC. Yet Obama walked away with the support of the majority of the Iowa VOTERS.

The confidence in the voters has just been given a major lift for me. I feel that all is not lost when it comes to the voters. Maybe we aren’t all lost in complacency allowing the MSM to choose our “inevitable” candidates.

I might have continued looking more closely at HC if it weren’t for the MSM constantly saying that she was the inevitable Democratic Candidate before she even announced it. I was very offended with the MSM TELLING me that HC is the Democratic Candidate before she entered a race THAT DIDN’T EVEN YET EXIST. I did like HC from the early pre first lady time. As time went on though H & B look more and more like they are in bed together with the real powers that be. Bill and George palling around together really set off alarm bells. I would have felt better if Jimmy Carter was in that group, but by Carter keeping his distance from them and strongly speaking out against GWB II really convinced me that it wasn’t “just business as usual” for past Presidents to join forces and become conjoined at the hip. Most likely it is because they really are traveling in the same circles with the same interests at heart.

So, even though my heart isn’t really with any of the candidates, my heart is being lifted by the voters. Maybe it will last only for a day or two – but for the time being, I’ll take it.

poster. A very common tactic of JE supporters, since it is so hard to argue with supporting facts - like his record! Don't just discuss, using logic and analysis, point out a grammatical error and sarcastically make fun of a poster, while you support a candidate that has nothing short of an embarrassing SHORT stint in the Senate, to which he was spending close to half of that time, not serving the people that elected him, but running for the WH.

JE supporters are in for a shock as their candidate shows that he won't be a contender, even within the Democratic Party. In addition, probably as shown in NH Primary, the Independents won't go for him either.

A major sigh of relief overwhelms me with the knowledge that only a minority amount of Dems were foolish enough to discount cold hard facts (JE short but embarrassing Senate record) in lieu of unsubstantiated promises - buying hook line and sinker, whatever the good looking talented salesman was selling that day.

It also reassures me that just because the MSM has been ramming HRC down our throats as the "Inevitable Democratic Nominee" people didn't swallow and seemingly are making up their own minds.

Yes, these events have been very good signs for me.

How do they/you justify a candidate that, not so long ago, voted for the Patriot Act, IWR, Bankruptcy.....? What has he DONE that convinces you that he has changed his stripes? I am so friggin blown away by all of the short memories of Democrats when it comes to this guy. I judge by a person's actions and JE's actions in the Senate were less than Democratic. How can it be so easy to turn a blind eye to the votes that this man made that are still effecting all of us in an adverse way? I really don't care what this guy says now, it's too little too late from a very short time ago to believe that he has so fundamentally changed in time for the next election cycle....

To say the least, I am very dissappointed in many of the Democratic Party members. It is a sad testament to the values of Democrats and the lowness of the threshold that our candidates are measured against.

I hear he's "electable".....so was Bush, that didn't make his a decent Pres

I hear, he said this or his plan is that, Bush made a lot of promises that went to the wayside once he was elected.

What proof do you have that JE won't "revert" once he is in?

instead of simply talking up your candidates stand on the issues. Oh wait, first you have to "have" a stand on the issues, not just talk! Now I understand" You have got to be kidding! JE supporters have been the worst when the discussion of "ISSUES" comes up and it is not suprising, JE has a LOUSY record when he was in the Senate. He managed to be on the wrong side of all of the major votes, voting AGAINST many of our Democratic Leaders.....

People supporting JE are buying into JE's words and totally ignoring his actions.

At least Obama, with his "little experience" KNEW that Iraq was not a war for us to start, JE sure as hell didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground....but go ahead, vote for a man that IS responsible for sending thousands to their deaths, simply because he said he was SORRY!

Other issues JE was on the wrong side on:

Bankruptcy
Patriot Act
Visas
Yucca Mtn
Voting Rights

Yeah, he changed his mind and apologized....well it is way too little and way too late.