So many plans to usurp the Constitution in times of "________" these days. Any excuse to put us under the yoke more directly than we are now. I'm not surprised if it is true. Just like the "Phantom gov't" which was only mentioned once on the Corporate News Network. They are training to take over should Washington DC get nuked or something to close down gov't. When they do watch out! Then it is too late. I wonder of a Great Depression would qualify? The Republicans and some Democrats are angling to put us in one after Bush got cold feet when it started in 2008. Maybe the crypto-fascists like the Koch brothers are ready now since they would be among those 40 corporations who would profit most from it? We shall have to wait an see unless the OWS actually gets results.
Shows how far part of our country has gone off the deep end of the millionaires, billionaires, speculators and hedge funders (pushing paper not working) have all taken too much control again. And we see that the money disparity is like it was in 1928, and we almost hit bottom in 2008 an nothing has been done to stop it from happening again. Only this time without enough to compensate the robbers again. The ones who are sitting on $3 trillion but won't lend it out as banks should. They are sitting on it saying the market must stabilize for them to spend it! Now the whole point of giving the money to them was so they can do their job and lend it out to help stabilize our economy and in so doing the world's.
I am of the opinion that a certain select of the richest want us to fall (Shock Doctrine) so that they can come in a rebuild it their way under their management to finish their plan to turn us into a Fascist Holy American Empire (Disaster Capitalism.)
Ironic those words from Reagan considering what he did to the Air Traffic Controller's Union. He destroyed it.
So after World War II the leading families and their corporations rethought how they would topple our Republic. A long term process that was multi generational in scope. Infiltration from the inside out was one. Another was to create parallel organizations and push out or take over from gov't as has been done in our gov't. Joining with the Christian Re-constructionists/Dominionists/Second Apostolic Reformation among others had the same idea. Now some of the very rich were also Christian Nationalists and white supremacists too but hidden about it. (They originally wanted to have a World Fascist Organization. But failed here just barely. No one was punished even when they collaborated with the Nazis---their soul mates, got off lightly.)So now since 1980 they started to make their moves. Though now Reagan would be considered a Liberal and an enemy of the oligarchs. Took over both parties, though the Democrats still have Progressives and Liberals in it just that they are powerless against the fascist underground enablers who do their dirty work under the veneer of 'democracy.' What Wolin calls "inverted totalitarianism." Where the items for the rich go through like grease through a goose but if it concerns something to help us it is like having sex with a porcupine. Painful, slow and ultimately un-fulfilling.
Even president Jimmy Carter in his last year started the fascist ball rolling by lifting some of the regulations. Reagan simply continued and expanded upon it. The last two Democratic presidents have also aided it in Regressing even as they through us a few bones to keep us happy. How much longer before the other shoe is dropped on our economy to leave it devastated and open to the manipulations of the Disaster Capitalists after their Shock Doctrine renders us destitute and in need of their convenient 'help.'
They know that we will be so desperate for our old lives, minus the bill of Rights, we'd take it with open eyes from the blue clad Army of the Apocalypse that will be letting us know that they will restore order, electricity, clean water and food but for a one time offer of our freedoms. I suspect most will take it without a second thought.
Smashing not with armies or weapons or threats. Writing in on papers. That is the continuing way of the current revolution against us started in 1979 and continues unbroken ever since.
"The Fraternity" in the 1920's & 1930's wanted to directly take over the USA and either kill FDR or use him as a figure head. If only they had chosen a less patriotic general to lead their proposed armies they could have won because FDR had no idea it was going on. The richest and most privileged of the elites wanted Fascism here. A red, white and blue star spangled one to be sure all American, but fascist non-the-less, and ruled by a board of directors of their choosing. You can imagine what side we would have been on in the coming war and it wouldn't have been with France and Britain. (But they would have found a way to make the UK in their sphere somehow.) Since FDR failed to punish them, with death, and confiscation of all their wealth, he laid us open to what has been going on since 1980 and the spiral downward or our republic and the shrinking Middle Class and the down grading of our Republic are all planned. Only this time it is from the inside. We are ripe to be plundered and rebuilt by the oligarchs of today into a new shiny Holy American Empire. It can still happen it is just a matter of time. If we can't stop it.
When it concerned having on contradictory people the point was not to debate them but to let them speak unimpeded. As I heard him explain it once many years ago. Just like Larry King did only with the "out there" spectrum and wild political material too. Art Bell on that evening of 9/11/01 he was ready to exterminate every Iraqi for it. (He had been fooled too by the lies.) I think Art Bell was better at it than Norry is. But the people are the same as is hawking books etc. (Who isn't these days?)
Some of the shows are better than others. I don't know if Norry has ever tossed anyone off for being just too far over whatever line he has for weirdness or charlatenry. I find it entertaining. I will miss Art Bell.
Note: Art Bell appeared as himself of "Millennium" toward the end of the series.
"As I say, I liked her and still do. I miss her. I thought that she was one of the most interesting authors we've ever had. Again, a lot of people who disapproved of a lot of the books that we publish worshiped Ayn Rand; and any place that I go lecturing still, somebody is sure to pop up and say, “Tell me about Ayn Rand,” with adoration in their eyes. When she went up to talk at Harvard, the place was full of students who came to hoot but stayed to applaud. They weren't convinced by her, but they were impressed by her sincerity. This is a brilliant woman. It's a shame that these sycophants have, I think, absolutely ruined her. She could have been a very fine woman of influence in the right direction. She's not doing any real damage. Outside of her fanatical cult, nobody really strings along with her theory that religion and public relief are a sop and should be abolished."
One of her problems was the psychophants who pushed her ego button so much she started to believe all the hype from them while every critic of the time trashed her mercilessly. Unlike today where there is a vast integrated machine that would promote her to high heaven. Even if they would leave out certain bothersome things like her Atheism and the fact that she thought psychopaths as being the best kind of human, her supermen. So Ayn Rand is accepted but post mortum, it would be too much trouble if she was alive.
If she didn't like Social Security then she was a hypocrite for taking it. Even Anarchists want to work together. Only misanthropes and Libertarians want to reduce society to hermits and destroy civilization.
Whether he was there or not. Not that it matters now. You will find that the same bunch got involved in other shady things as time went on from Iran-Contra to Koreagate. They just have that habit.
Be afraid of these people, very afraid should they see a way of checking to see if you and I are winners or losers too.
I can see someone like them thinking that if you survived that you are a winner in that Death Lottery, only he won be losing i.e. the Nazis didn't get to him to do their evil deed.
Its terms are vague and used inconsistently and judiciously.
The gov't rules in this case and the corps bow down if not bend over gladly. Or they are just using some excuse to do so.
Spineless and soulless come to mind.
Four years after Massachusetts became the first state in the nation to require all residents to have health insurance, Connector spokesman Richard Powers said with 97 percent of Massachusetts taxpayers insured, the program so far has been an overwhelming success. Officials are now trying to lower health-care costs. “If the rest of the nation is as lucky as Massachusetts, the entire country will be better off,” he said.
But Cannon disagreed: “It was sold as a way to cover uninsured and then reduce cost of health care. It has covered some previously uncovered people, but not as many as the commonwealth claims they have covered, and the cost of health care is rising, by every measure, while the quality is falling.”
With out the protection of a gov't option and no restraints on the health care corps, they can continue to raise rates. And don't be fooled by all the talk by the right to stop this. They secretly like it and will do little to actually affect it. Just watch and see.
I'm glad to see you got what you needed Kat45, but its all the others who still don't have what they need is the problem. If we wound down our wars of profit we could retrain our soldiers (after they get their treatments) and so many of the other millions of unemployed to work in the hospitals we need to build to handle all the people not being helped right now. In fact they are limiting or closing ER's and hospitals. Not a good trend for morbidity survival. Expect life expectancy to continue to go down. Lower if they don't count those millionaires and billionaires whose life expectancy is much higher and gooses the curve up.
Well put to have the facts. Impersonation isn't a joke and its not funny. Except among crimenogenically minded people. Those who have a touch of sadism in them. The ones who readily laugh at the misfortunes of others. Hard line fascist or any other kind of authoritarianism finds a grip in such cold hearted people. (Why it works so well in place like Germany and Russia and Guatamala over the years.) Ones who revel in the narrow hyperemotionalism of the straight and narrow. Laugh of this is a significant error. I hope Mr. Olbermann does something about this theft and misrepresentation of his person.
Oh and the color of their shirts may be either starched white or blue.
Either way Jews and others would be represented if they wanted authentic reenactments. Such as when they handed their prisoners over the the RSHA,"the Einsatzgruppen (Special Action Groups). The Einsatzgruppen were formed to gather Jews, partisans, and other peoples from the areas the armed forces conquered, and to murder them. During the War, the RSHA was always growing, adding new offices to its structure."
"This main office was the Reich Central Security Main Office, or RSHA. The RSHA was formed on September 27th, 1939, and was by far the most feared and the most sinister of all the main offices in the RF-SS. The RSHA was formed from two other existing main offices, the Hauptamt Sicherheitspolizei (Security Police Main Office) and the Sicherheits Hauptamt (Security Service Main Office)."
There wasn't an equivalent to this in the American civil war unless it was being a guard at Andersonville prison camp. That and the fact that for most of the war any black Union soldiers that survived a battle were murdered on the spot by CSA soldiers. They hated the idea of blacks being armed and after them. It lasted through most of the war. Also something I doubt is reenacted. ( Did he bond with his son in those Civil War reenactments too?)
Excerpts from http://www.feldgrau.com/ss.html
Iott and his group soft peddle just what the Waffen SS and the accompanying organizations were designed to win battles but mostly to remove the 10% of what they considered to be the lowest form or human and sub-human life from their midst and eventually the world. Iott agrees with them not only the sanitized version of that killing organization but being a member in the play acting of it. At least a new version of it anyway he would seem to agree with their ethos.
Also just imagine if a Democrat had said and done the same thing? Wouldn't they be flayed and burned in the public pillory by now? Jon Stewart is just wrong this time, it happens to all of us.
It is always waiting to engage if we fail to keep up. We are reaching the point to where our present system is too stretched out, too dependent on oil, too few types of crops (GMO's and suicide genes), GCC and population growth all play their parts.
If we falter it will come at us. Food riots have happened recently and can happen again. Whole countries could fall and chaos and a terrible death toll would automatically happen. We as a species have acted stupidly. A few more times and we could be extinct very quickly.
The 3 billion or so who consume 75% and more are the present problem. Now if we divided up the resources by the 6.9 billion everyone would know just what kind of problems we have. Food and water shortages, climate change, will lead to wars, overrunning of some countries who still have a decent life destroying them or they fight and kill millions to protect themselves. Food amounts are at precarious levels. If we should ever have food shortages protests in the streets would occur. We already have Depression and a stratified world. Anything that should interfere with the oil that lubricates and powers our whole agribusiness, monoculture food production could instantly cause chaos on its own. http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.ht...
The earth can't sustain what we have now. We could cut down all the forests and plant crops but it would only delay as long as more people are born and fewer die. Women controlling their ability to get pregnant is also a very good idea. We just need to fight against the religions like Islam and Christianity who will be fighting us tooth and nail. Also those secularists who think the very idea of controlling population is a plot to kill off every one but 500 million. I keep telling them that the rich like that we are overpopulated. It means they can have a cheap throw-a-way labor force. If we had 500 million or even 2 billion would be great. We could all live well and have a greater need for robots.
We will need to all work together, especially the rich countries learning to live more cheaply and less energy intensive, and up lifting the poor to live green too. Right now the best we can do is to ease the transition to a different kind of earth. One less hospitable to us after 10,000 years. Nature will be cruel, we don't have to be to our fellow beings and the earth itself.
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