It's mine, of course...


Were any Humvees involved in making these arrests?

How about Black Hawk helicopters, were any of those involved?

Did invading and occupying any countries aid in making these arrests in any way?

Was suspending the rule of law, allowing leaders to be above the law, to interpret the law any way they like, to have no review or oversight of their actions to show that they were warranted?

Torture, was the information required to make these arrests obtained by torture, rape, murder?

Was not the information that exposed this plot to blow up airlines, using liquid explosives, provided by a muslim who did not require being tortured in order to provide it?

Were not these arrests a result of what they call "pre-9/11 thinking"?

Did not these arrests result from treating it as a criminal matter, something handled by the police, not the military, following the rule of law, not suspending the rule of law, using diplomacy, not requiring waging wars of aggression or committing crimes against humanity in any way?

So why are the right wing media whores and the puppets they support saying it justifies doing criminally incompetent things which had nothing to do with making these arrests?

Then why are you not making these arguments against their insults misrepresentations and lies?

Only one side supports the I/P Forum system, and they are a vocal minority.

It's those with their fingers ever on the alert button, getting threads and posts removed.

It's those who don't want discussion of anything they don't like, and work to get all traces of such discussions removed.

It's the cowardly bullies, who because they fear any honest and open debate, they only want to shut you up any way they can.

I'm so glad the I/P Forum system has broken down.

It makes it so much harder for them to keep track of, control by way of restrictive rules, hit alert, and get removed every post on this issue of which they don't approve.

Can you guess which side I'm talking about?

They want to bring in even more workers from poorer countries, to take whatever jobs they can't ship away.

They want what they call a "guest worker" program, in order to be able to bring in even more people from poorer countries, and to be able to treat them as badly or worse than they are being treated now, but to be able to do it officially.

All this nonsense about getting tough on the border, or about getting tough on the "illegals", is just cover their selling of "guest worker" as the solution to the "illegals" problem.

Even though the right wing media clowns get hit down hard by a few of the less comatose Fweeperland Flavor-Aid drinkers, for pushing "guest worker", and for saying stupid insulting stuff like "These are jobs Americans won't do.", they keep on pushing it, most often now by lining up the scripted shills they call "callers" to make the sales pitch for them.

I've mentioned the solution before, fines for those that employ non-citizens, or non-green card holders.

If on the other hand there's really a shortage of people in this country, a genuine shortage of workers, then make more people citizens.

Having a class of people who are either officially, or un-officially exploitable, degrades us all.

Don't blame them.

Blame those who would be masters.

"I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free."
-- Abraham Lincoln

They're slave labor. Those who employ them should be fined.

Guest Worker would only make their second class (slave status) official.

Floods of cheap labor from poorer countries take away jobs, and drive down the wages of lower to middle income Americans.

It's a lie that these are jobs Americans won't do.

These are jobs offered by employers who know they don't need to pay a little more, or treat their employees a little better, because they have a pool of cheap second class status slave labor from poorer countries.

There's no need to deport anyone.

If they can't get hired, they'll go away.

There's nothing wrong with the border that a few more agents, or a few less people coming across wouldn't fix.

Any talk of a fence or wall on the border is just a distraction from the workplace, where the battle against second class slave labor must be fought.

Either make them citizens, or stop the hiring of them.

As citizens they won't be so easy to exploit.

If they can't be exploited, they won't be wanted.

If there really is a need for more citizens, allow more to apply to be citizens.

Ah, but only as Sub-Citizens are they wanted by those who exploit them.

That's what you have with the present illegal system, or with a Guest Worker program.

the largest reserves.

The way to have cheap oil is to leave those countries alone.

You're right, if you think it's about controlling the oil for their own profit.

You're wrong, if you think it's about making the oil cheap for us.

Truth be told what they fear is not Peak Oil, it's an Oil Glut.

Those idiots selling the SUVs, and the right wing radio clowns who promised cheap oil, were obviously wrong.

AIPAC supports the PNAC plan of ever widening war, in the mistaken belief that it will somehow make Israel, and us safer.

It won't.

If followed, it will be Israel's and our ruin.

movement that calls itself conservative that needs throwing out.

Since the so called conservative movement is so wrong, so evil, so dishonest on every issue, I would have no problem with making opposition to them the central organizing principle of my political philosophy.

Time to stop living in a land of make believe created by some right wing media clowns with their infantile arguments and their childish lies.

Time to leave behind the crackpot economics, and the tin pot foreign and domestic policies of the movement that calls itself conservative.

Time to Grow Up and Join the Democratic Party

so it's oil production would've been limited no matter what.

They'd been depressing prices by putting too much oil on the market, either through the Oil for Food program, or through smuggling.

Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserves.

Iran has the world's fourth largest oil reserves.

Venezuelan oil production also threatens to bring prices down.

Taking those reserves off the market makes for record high oil prices, and record oil company profits.

What would be their motivation to bring prices down when they control the supply?

The greater their control of the supply, the greater their ability to manipulate prices higher.

There's no need to invade a country to get them to put their oil on the market.

If left alone countries will put all the oil they can on the market.

If left alone countries will cheat on any production quotas they are supposed to follow.

War makes gas cost more.

The best way to insure a steady supply of cheap oil is to leave these oil producing countries alone.

in order to raise the value of their own reserves, and drive prices higher.

It's for the same reason Goldfinger wanted to nuke Fort Knox, to make his own gold worth that much more.