one-eyed fat man's Journal
In common law, a hue and cry is a process by which bystanders are summoned to assist in the apprehension of a criminal who has been witnessed in the act of committing a crime. Anyone who witnessed a crime shall make hue and cry, and that the hue and cry must be kept up against the fleeing criminal from town to town and from county to county, until the felon is apprehended and delivered to the sheriff. All able-bodied men, upon hearing the shouts, were obliged to assist in the pursuit of the criminal, which makes it comparable to the posse comitatus. It was moreover provided that a hundred that failed to give pursuit on the hue and cry would become liable in case of any theft or robbery.
Kentucky revised Statutes 70.060 Sheriff may command power of county.
"Any sheriff, deputy sheriff or other like officer may command and take with him the power of the county, or a part thereof, to aid him in the execution of the duties of his office, and may summon as many persons as he deems necessary to aid him in the performance thereof."
Good thing you live in a time and place where you can watch crime and not get involved. You should be shamed by the name of "Kitty Genovese."
Thirty-eight neighbors of Kitty Genovese were aware about the murder that was taking place during that time and yet all of them chose to do nothing in rescue of the assaulted girl. One cold-hearted bastard turned up his TV so the screaming of the girl being butchered at his doorstep wouldn't interfere with his evening. On March 13, 1964, these fine upstanding New Yorkers put, "I didn't want to get involved," in the American lexicon.
Winston Moseley chased her down and stabbed her in the back twice. She screamed and he fled, returning ten minutes later. Seeing his prey lying on the ground almost unconscious, he stabbed her several times more, he stole her money, and for good measure, sexually assaulted her.
Would you view an individual who intervened and gotten injured or killed in the process as foolhardy? Had an individual had been able to stop the assault by killing the assailant would he be a vigilante? Is simply calling the police enough? Or will you close the window and turn up the TV?
When it was still the United States Postal Department and the Postmaster General was a Cabinet level position, the agency was armed to the teeth! There were pistols hidden at every post office window. Every railway mail clerk was armed. Mail carriers were armed. States recognized this in laws like this Kentucky statute.
527.020 Carrying concealed deadly weapon.
(1) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed weapon when he or she carries concealed a firearm or other deadly weapon on or about his or her person.
(2) Peace officers and certified court security officers, when necessary for their protection in the discharge of their official duties; United States mail carriers when actually engaged in their duties; and agents and messengers of express companies, when necessary for their protection in the discharge of their official duties, may carry concealed weapons on or about their person.
At one time, the pilot of any aircraft used to transport mail was REQUIRED to be armed. FAA regulations left the decision as to arming of flight crews to the certificate holder until the '94 when it was quietly rescinded. Some of us remember when pilots were routinely armed and expected to be the "good guys" able to defend against the "bad guys."
July 6, 1954, when a strapping teen-ager armed with a pistol commandeered an American Airlines DC-6 at the Cleveland Airport, only to be shot and fatally wounded by the captain before the airplane left the ground. The shooting ended the life of Raymond Kuchenmeister, 15. It made a reluctant hero of the late Capt. William "Bill" Bonnell of Fort Worth...
Bill Bonnell joined American Airlines in 1936 and that airline, like others, transported U.S. mail.
"Back in those days, the pilot or co-pilot had to hand-carry the mail from the plane to the terminal," recalled George Patten, 85, a retired American pilot and friend of Bonnell's. "Postal regulations required that you be armed. We all had to have guns, and American had us buy little .380s."
...Finally, flight engineer Bob Young told Kuchenmeister they would take off but that it was necessary to throw a switch behind Kuchenmeister before the plane could taxi. As Kuchenmeister turned to look for the switch, Bonnell reached into his flight bag with his left hand, removed the pistol, swung around to his right and shot Kuchenmeister. The wounded hijacker then attempted to shoot Bonnell, but his pistol misfired and Bonnell shot him again.
"I shot him in the hip," Bonnell later recalled. "He sagged a bit. I let him have it again, a little higher.
"I had a maniac on my plane. We had women and children. What the hell could a guy do?"
Back in the day, those of us who were traveling and legally armed, reported such information to the airplane's captain. If you were transporting guns, you boarded first, and at the captain's discretion, surrendered them to the flight engineer. Depending on the circumstances and your credentials, he was free to let you retain your firearm.
The only airline hijacker ever shot on an U.S. airliner IN FLIGHT, was on September 15, 1970 on board a TWA, Boeing 707 jet. The flight left Chicago for San Francisco, but gunman Don Irwin, 27, seized the plane just after an L.A. stopover. Irwin threatened flight attendants in the aft galley with his gun demanding the plane head to North Korea.
This particular plane was in no way equipped or even able to make such a journey. This hijacker was not quite as clever as he thought.
The pilot J.K. Gilman was informed of the hijacking and was aware that Robert Denisco, a Brinks guard was a passenger in First Class. Capt. Gilman quickly used the telephone to ask a First Class fight attendant to tell Denisco what was going on and to, “tell him I said to go back and shoot that Bastard!”
"Robert DeNisco remembers it as the day he foiled a hijacking, saved a plane full of people and lived to tell President Nixon all about it."
Perhaps if the pilots had still routinely been armed, like they had been for over 70 years, they would have been able to deal with the hijackers more effectively. Perhaps if policemen, military and couriers could still travel armed, without fanfare, like we did forty years ago the 9-11 hijackers might have met the same fate as Kuchenmeister or Irwin.
The Post Office Department was armed through most of its history. When the Post Office was abolished and became the Postal Service the guns that were routinely kept were slowly collected up in the mid-Seventies. Postal workers didn't start going 'postal' until decades AFTER the Postal Service did away with guns for carriers and clerks.
So those who wanted kinder, gentler air crew and 'civilized' mail employees had them all quietly disarmed. They got what they wanted. It's a lot easier to gun innocents down in cold blood when you are guaranteed they will be unable to shoot back. It's a boon to robbers disinclined to leave witnesses as well as to the demented looking to solve their interpersonal squabbles in spectacular infamy.
The aircrew of the hijacked airplanes followed the advice often seen in here to those confronted by violent criminals....JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
That was the official FAA training counter-hijacking training too, JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
The only airline hijacker ever shot on an U.S. airliner, was on September 15, 1970 on board a TWA, Boeing 707 jet. The flight left Chicago for San Francisco, but gunman Don Irwin, 27, seized the plane just after an L.A. stopover. Irwin threatened flight attendants in the aft galley with his gun demanding the plane head to North Korea.
This particular plane was in no way equipped or even able to make such a journey. This hijacker was not quite as clever as he thought.
The pilot J.K. Gilman was informed of the hijacking and was aware that Robert Denisco, a Brinks guard was sitting in First Class. Capt. Gilman quickly used the telephone to ask a First Class fight attendant to tell what was going on and to, “tell him I said to go back and shoot that Bastard!”
"Robert DeNisco remembers it as the day he foiled a hijacking, saved a plane full of people and lived to tell President Nixon all about it."
Back in the day, those who were legally armed, reported such information to the airplane's captain. If you were transporting guns, you boarded first, and at the captain's discretion, surrendered them to the flight engineer. While transporting US mail under US Post Office rules, flight crews were required to be armed and either the pilot ot copilot had to personally hand carry the mail on and off the aircraft. That changed when it became the Postal SERVICE and was disarmed. Prior to 1992 when the Federal Regulations were amended flight crews were armed at the carrier's discretion.
The frontiersmen's Pensylvania and Kentucky long rifles were far superior for skirmishing than the military musket of the era. In 1775 the British officially believed that shooters were exhibiting a “high degree of precision” when one of every five or six rounds from a Brown Bess musket hit a three-foot wide target at 100 yards. In other words, when at least 80 percent of their shots missed a yard-wide bullseye at what was regarded as the optimal combat range, military contemporaries praised such performance as extraordinarily good! As a saying sorrowfully beloved of musketmen went, “One went high, one went low, and where in Hell did the other one go?”
A soldier's musket, if not exceedingly ill bored, will strike the figure of a man at 80 yards; it may even at 100; but a soldier must be very unfortunate indeed who shall be wounded...at 150 yards, provided his antagonist aims at him; I do maintain...no man was ever killed at 200 yards, by a common soldier's musket by the person who aimed at him.¹
- British Col. George Hanger, 1814
The colonial militiamen were not perfect. They were citizen short-term irregulars, not long-service professional troops, and they neither took orders kindly nor could face an infantry assault in the open field. But in 1775 they did know how to shoot. American shooting, however, somewhat overcame these disadvantages by dint of long experience, a lot of practice, and personal knowledge of a gun’s idiosyncrasies. Thus, during target practice Capt. Samuel Stockbridge (according to contemporary accounts) calmly “shot at a mark about 12 or 14 rods
The British noticed that among their hit officers “few had less than three or four wounds,” indicating that each was the reluctant subject of several Americans’ attention. They were appalled that American rifleman were targeting individuals, namely the officers, rather than firing into the mass of troops. Indeed, at Bunker Hill, every one of the 12 staff officers escorting the British commander Gen. Howe was either killed or wounded.
Those "colonials" living on the frontier who became the Founding Fathers knew one sweet hell a lot more about the tactical weapons of their time that you do about the present...or the past!
It will be neither. We'll have another post on the same subject inside of 48 hours.
Shameless self-serving hypocrisy is no hindrance.
When previously asked about holding a CCW here was the response:
"I am and the Washington list is available"
In response to that claim:
"Washington list is only available to law enforcement.
See item (4).
None of the information on the application can be released. Maybe raw data can, but that's not the issue with "secret" lists, and it never was. Has anyone objected to raw data being released?
Nevertheless, if you believe all the information should be public, here's your chance."
It's also not the fist time the challenge to make public what the OP insists should be freely accessible public information has been declined.
How many times do the cops kill an innocent person?
Man Dies in Police Raid on Wrong House
Menlo Park police raid wrong home, residents say
Police raid wrong house, hold circuit court judge at gunpoint
Pearl Family Suing After Police Raid Wrong Home
Police raid wrong house, gun pulled on 13-year-old child
D.C. Police Raid Wrong Home, City Refuses to Pay for Damage
*About 1,320,000 results (0.07 seconds)
"...And when it's Gun Guy against the cops, I doubt the Gun Guy will walk away from it on his own two feet."
As one quick example to the contrary, police serving a search warrant raided the house of 58 year old Charles Degustine in Florida in the middle of the night. (It turned out they simply raided the wrong address)
They threw in a flashbang grenade to disorient the occupants first, then charged in. DeGustine grabbed his handgun and fired at the officers, killing one. He was charged with murder of a police officer, and acquitted on the grounds of self defense.
In another midnight raid, Steven Shively of Topeka awoke to find armed men prying down his door. He called 911 and reported the attack in progress. As they tried to get the door open, he grabbed his gun and fired a single shot through the gap they had opened, killing an officer. He too was acquitted of murder charges on the grounds of self defense.
Note that in both these cases, the police were not even engaging in deliberate misconduct when they were killed. In one case they were simply at the wrong address, and in the other they had bad information from an informant. In both cases, the defense successfully argued that the defendants had no reason to expect themselves to be the target of a military style SWAT raid in the middle of the night, and were therefore justified in believing that they were the subjects of a robbery attempt, and were justified in using deadly force.
In the Shively case, the officers never identified themselves as officers before the shooting as they were trying to get the door down before waking the occupant. In Florida, they were yelling "Police" and wearing marked vests as they charged in, but testimony established that the flashbang grenade would have deafened the elderly occupant, and disoriented him to a level where he could not have been expected to read and understand vest markings in a dark room full of heavily armed shouting intruders.
...and a couple more.
Man Acquitted of Killing Officer
Quebec man acquitted in police officer slaying
Cease Fire PSA
The plot of the PSA is as follows:
A child opens a closet door and looks at the top shelf. He drags a chair to the front of the closet and stacks books and boxes on the seat. He climbs up and reaches for a gun on the top shelf.
MICHAEL DOUGLAS (voice over):
If you think your kids aren't old enough to find your handgun, think again.
The child turns the gun around, pointing it at his face. We hear a SHOT and we see a graphic with the following statistic: "10 children are killed by a handgun every day." The Cease Fire logo and web page address appear.
Part of the reason this ad is effective is it uses the image of a toddler to fix an image in your mind, then goes on to say 10 children a day are killed by a handgun EACH DAY. TEN A DAY!!! That's 3,650 children a year who the sponsors of the ad want you to believe are preschoolers who blasted themselves by finding a loaded gun "hidden" in the home. The intent is to have you tie the number "ten a day" to the image of "children" as innocent young toddlers.
2007 was the last year the CDC reported this. But as you can see firearm accidents for kids, and defining EVERYONE UNDER AGE 18 as a kid to get the widest possible range range, is 8th on the list. If you use age 10 and under, then firearm accidents are not even in the top 10.
1 - Unintentional Motor Vehicle Traffic = 3,644
2 - Unintentional Drowning = 844
3 - Unintentional Fire/burn = 458
4 - Unintentional Poisoning = 379
5 - Unintentional Suffocation = 280
6 - Unintentional Pedestrian, Other = 208
7 - Unintentional Other Land Transport = 196
8 - Unintentional Firearm = 111
According to the CDC, if you include everyone under voting age as a child the number is 111. If you pick the 4-5 age group as shown in the PSA it is 14.
So how do you turn 14 accidents a year into 10 a day, besides just flat out lie??
First, expand your definition of child. Why not define everyone as "children" up to age 23? After all the IRS will let you count your college student offspring as dependents at 23. Second, why stop at accidents when you can include suicides, homicides, and legal intervention?
This is a big boost to the numbers as the crime rate follows the proportion of young males in the population. Both the victims and the perpetrators of crime tend to fall in the 18-25 age category. This way you get to count in homicides both innocent victims, and any criminals dispatched by the police.
One of the leading causes of death amongst teenagers is suicide. The Centers for Disease control report that it is the third leading cause of death, behind accidents (all types of accidents, mostly motor vehicle) and homicide, of people aged 15 to 24. Even more disturbing is the fact that suicide is the fourth leading cause of death for children between the ages of 10 and 14.
For further discussion on techniques used to manipulate a message: techniques, part II
It's still a lie, even if it is well thought out exceedingly deceptive and slickly produced lie.
Believing that he attended the Aryan Nations church and Aryan Nations World Congresses, the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI interviewed Weaver and his wife in 1985. Weaver denied belonging to the Aryan Nations, and the couple cited differences in religious beliefs between themselves and the group. Randy Weaver was approached by the ATF to inform on the Aryan Brotherhood and declined. Undercover ATF agents finagled him into violating the NFA by sawing off a shotgun. Weaver refused to shorten the barrel to less than 18 inches which is a rather well known restriction.
Under the National Firearms Act (NFA) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun, i.e. with a barrel length less than 18 inches (46 cm) and an overall length less than 26 inches (66 cm), without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200 fee for every transfer.
The ATF informant did talk him into removing enough wood from the stock the gun was 3/8 inch too short. The lack of a tax stamp was the leverage the government was using to force Weaver into becoming an informant and he was ordered to appear in court on the charges.
Weaver's original court date was Feb. 19 1991; it was changed to the following day, but Pretrial Services sent Weaver a notice citing the date as March 20. As a result, Weaver missed the hearing and a bench warrant was issued for his arrest, with the U.S. Marshals Service directed to serve it. By Feb. 27, it was widely known that Weaver had been given the wrong date. The U.S. Marshals Service wanted to allow Weaver the opportunity to show up in court on March 20, but the U.S. Attorneys Office sought a grand jury indictment on March 14 for Weaver's failure to appear.
After long-term surveillance, the Deputy Director of the Special Operations Group of the Marshals Service recommended against a tactical assault on the Weaver residence. He recommended that the indictment be dismissed and then refiled later under seal, so that Weaver would be unaware of the new indictment, in hope of causing him to drop his guard. An undercover operation could then be executed to arrest Weaver without incident. His recommendation was rejected.
However reprehensible Weaver's personal beliefs may have been, there is no evidence he want anything more than to be left alone on his mountain top. There is plenty of evidence of collusion and an apparent desire exact retribution against Weaver for not wanting to be an informant.
Much controversy was later generated by the fact that, after the first day's events, the FBI had changed its usual rules of engagement; specifically, "deadly force can and should be used against any armed adult male if the shot could be taken without a child being injured." No request for surrender or announcement of officials' presence would be needed to shoot.
The next day, August 22, 1992, HRT sniper/observer teams were deployed on the north ridge overlooking the cabin. Randy Weaver, Harris, and Weaver's 16-year-old daughter Sara were seen outside the cabin. Weaver went to view the body of Sammy Weaver,<8> which had been placed in a shed after being recovered the previous day. Weaver's back was to FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi. Horiuchi aimed to sever Weaver's spine for an instant kill. Weaver moved in the last split second as Horiuchi fired and the bullet entered Weaver's right shoulder and exited the armpit. As the three ran back to the house, Horiuchi fired again at Kevin Harris as he ran away, but this time hit Weaver's wife Vicki in the head as she held their 10-month-old daughter Elishiba at the door. Vicki Weaver collapsed on the floor, dying instantly with her bloody but uninjured daughter in her arms. Harris was hit in the chest by the same bullet. A Justice Department review later found this second shot was unconstitutional and the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover and could not pose an imminent threat. The task force also specifically blamed Horiuchi for firing at the door, not knowing whether someone was on the other side of it, and criticized those who had decided on the special rules of engagement allowing shots to be fired with no previous request for surrender.Much later, a robot vehicle approached the cabin and announced the presence of law enforcement. According to the Weavers, this was the first announcement of the source of the violence.
A stand-off ensued for 10 days as several hundred federal agents surrounded the house, in which Weaver and his three surviving children remained with Harris and the body of Vicki Weaver, under a blood-soaked blanket. During the stand-off, the government force, which numbered 350 to 400 men, had named their temporary camp "Camp Vicki". The negotiators who later claimed they did not know Vicki was dead would call out in the morning 'Vicki, we have blueberry pancakes.' To Sara Weaver inside with her dead mother's body, they were deliberately taunting the survivors.
The government was heavy-handed in their response at best and reprehensible at worst. That you laud their actions is despicable.
The original fuze used on the Mark II resembles current fuzes, and worked the same way. The striker is released when the lever moves. The striker hits a primer that looks like the primer on a cartridge which, in turn, starts the delay charge to burning.
The cup on the primer of the Mark II often ruptured upon detonation permitting the smoke and sparks from the black powder delay train to escape. The World War 2 and Korean War vets I served with in Viet Nam mentioned it. During my tours in Viet Nam Mark II's were not commonly seen. They were filled with flake TNT, and had a characteristic dense black smoke on detonation unlike the cast Comp B filler of the newer grenades.
That was only one of the Mark II's shortcomings. Despite the serrations of the cast iron body, they did not fragment uniformly and sometimes produced fragments big enough to be a real hazard to the thrower of the grenade.
The M26 was was designed to have shrapnel that was much smaller with the desired effect of a more uniform and predictable pattern. The desired bursting radius was 15 meters so as to be less of a hazard to the thrower than the old Mark II.
More info on the current crop of grenades at the link.
The M67 grenade is a fragmentation hand grenade used by the United States Military. This is the current grenade and has been in use since the 1970's. It also exhibits the standard color code of an OD body with yellow markings indicating "High Explosive"
The M26 series was the primary fragmentation grenade used by American forces in the Vietnam War. The grenade picture the "5-69" date code is prominent. The M61 grenade is basically an M26 grenade with the addition of a clip on the lever as secondary to the "pin" as on the M67 above.
This is what the average person pictures in their mind when anyone mentions hand grenade. The Mk II defensive hand grenade is a fragmentation hand grenade used by the U.S. armed forces during World War II and Korea. The Mk II was standardized in 1920 and was phased out gradually, the U.S. Navy being the last users early during Viet Nam. The fuze on this grenade emitted smoke and sparks which were quite visible at night. It was one of the shortcomings that spurred the development of the M26 series in the late Fifties.
That also pretty much looks like what is on the table. A bunch of 60 or 70 year old hand grenades...maybe.
This is a practice grenade used for training. It is readily identified by the fact it is hollow with an opening in the bottom. The blue "INERT Training Use" paint might be thin or long gone. RFX stands for Richmond Foundry & Mfg. Co. Inc., sole caster of the grenade's body. The fuses unscrew and are replaceable. In use the trainee would pull the pin, the fuze would function and after roughly a 5 second delay the cap would explode with an audible report and a puff of white smoke. After the exercise the bodies would be recovered, the expended fuzes unscrewed and new practice fuzes installed for the next iteration. There are also versions which replicate the M26 and the M67 series grenades. The grenade body can be used repeatedly by replacing the fuze assembly. The fuze has a pale blue handle with brown tip indicating "Training Use-Low Explosive"
Could a practice casting be fabricated into a usable "improvised explosive device?" Most certainly, so could a piece of water pipe wrapped with nails, but it doesn't make as impressive a picture.
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico
Federal agent John Dodson says you are a liar.
Your buddy should along any second now, so y'all can sing a duet...
Just because you used your daughter as a willing accomplice to get the cheapest membership as a ploy to get the NRA to waste time and money on your insignificant fraud doesn't make it any less an artifice.
After all, you said as much! In your own words, publicly posted, you make plain your intent to go so far as to falsely claim missing magazines to ensure you cost the NRA more than "your" (daughter's) dues.
Or do you now claim you never said these words?
"I will make sure to call and request "lost in the mail" magazine copies enough times to make sure they don't turn a profit on my (sic) $15."
Your $15? Her membership? Yeah, right. You are fooling no one but yourself! Amazing how hatefulness can allow you to rationalize lying and cheating as long as it is directed against those you hate.
Contrary to their usual anti-gun position, CBS hit a home run on this one. The ATF ‘spin doctors’ will be getting a lot of overtime pay covering this up! We’ll probably see more lies, the guilty promoted, the innocent punished (maybe even fired – and then rehired), and it will be business as usual with ATF.
Remember Waco? 1994. Two ATF supervisory agents, Phillip J. Chojnacki and Charles D. Sarabyn, who were suspended for their roles in leading the botched raid and despite a Treasury Department report of gross negligence, were reinstated in December, 1994 with full back pay and benefits (with a demotion), and had the incident removed from their personnel files.
More “business as usual”.