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"Polarik", the Freeper liar who for over a year has been touting his fake "analysis" showing Obaba's birth certificate to be "a forgery". From BARACKRYPHAL- Wed. July 29 Meet Ronald Jay Polland Allow me to introduce you to someone you may already know:  This is Dr. Ronald Jay Polland. He received a BA in Psychology from Florida State University in 1970, a Masters in Educational Research from FSU in 1972, and a Doctorate in Instructional Systems from FSU in 1978. His curriculum vitae lists the other accomplishments he finds noteworthy. He holds himself out as an expert on surveys and market research. As of a few years ago, he worked in the Office of Institutional Research at the University of North Florida, where he helped conduct surveys and generate statistical reports. For instance, he wrote this Satisfaction Survey of A & P Employees. Polland is not currently listed as being on staff with that office, and it is unclear what his current occupation is. However, surveys and statistical reports are not the only aspect of his life. He is the "President and Founder of Dr. RJP Consulting, an international consulting firm," begun in 1989. Polland's previous corporation, Innovative Systems, Inc., was involuntarily dissolved by the state of Florida in 1988. Polland also has deemed himself an expert on dating. As he writes on his MySpace page, he is an "Expert advisor on relationships, romance and .. dating," and describes himself as "a psychologist by training who has devoted part of his life to helping others with questions and issues related to .. relationships, romance and dating." He writes the following about how he came to find and recognize this expertise: "His interest and research into Internet dating began in 1995, the year following the end of his 23-year marriage. His search for a woman to date also brought him into contact with many others who had previously used the Internet to find romance. From his own experience and the experience of others, he noted that both men and women often misrepresented themselves on the Internet. He found that people often lied about their age, looks, background, and occupations to others they met online." With its talk of online misrepresentation, I imagine this passage is more autobiographically ironic than it was perhaps intended to be. Because if you have not realized it yet: Ron Polland is Ron Polarik. ....more: http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2009/07/m... Friday, July 31 Why Polland Is Polarik My identification of pseudo-expert 'Ron Polarik' as statistician/self-proclaimed dating expert Ron Polland has drawn plenty of attention, but also questions about how I can so conclusively state that they are the same person. After all, my post largely consisted of my declaration that they were one and the same, with their similar names and resumes presented as the only real connection between the two. I initially held back additional evidence in anticipation of Polarik's reaction to my announcement, and now that he has reacted, I offer my proof that they are one and the same. The initial finding that caused me to draw a connection between 'Polarik' and Ron Polland was this: On June 18, 2008, Polarik made a post on the Hannity.com forums. Two months earlier, on April 4, 2008, a poster with the handle of "DrRJP" posted at DanielPipes.org. ...more: http://barackryphal.blogspot.com /
Larisa in December: Sat, 2008-12-20 By Larisa Alexandrovna I have been to Mr. Connell's home. Mr. Connell has confided that he was being threatened, something that his attorneys also told the judge in the Ohio election fraud case. When I met with Heather, his wife, I did so carefully because of the threats he was getting.http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/383... Not warned to avoid flying? Velvet Revolution claims that his life was in jeopardy in JULY, Arnebeck sought protective custody, and VR warned a close associate of Connell's not to fly. You have been unaware of all this???!!! FROM VELVET REVOLUTION:
A tipster close to the McCain campaign disclosed to VR (Kimberlin) in July that Mr. Connell's life was in jeopardy and that Karl Rove had threatened him and his wife, Heather. VR's attorney, Cliff Arnebeck, notified the United States Attorney General , Ohio law enforcement and the federal court about these threats and insisted that Mr. Connell be placed in protective custody. VR also told a close associate of Mr. Connell's not to fly his plane because of another tip that the plane might be sabotaged. A sworn declaration by Brett Kimberlin about having recieved a tip about the threats was submitted to the court (taken from court documents): MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR EXPEDITED HEARING AND MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO NONPARTY MICHAEL CONNELL’S MOTION TO QUASH On July 19, 2008, two days after this news conference that was widely disseminated within the blogosphere, an anonymous tipster, describing himself as beingwithin the McCain Presidential campaign, reported that Rove had threatened Michael Connell for the apparent purpose of intimidating him from giving truthful testimony against Karl Rove. See Declaration of Brett Kimberlin, Exhibit B, ¶ 3. http://www.velvetrevolution.us/images/File... Kimberlin's sworn delcaration has seemingly now been sealed by the court, (though I read it when it was still available) : Shortly after Connell was named as a potential witness in Arnebeck's lawsuit, (sic) Brett Kimberland (sic), co-founder of the democracy-watchdog website Velvet Revolution, received the first in a series of phone calls from an anonymous source who claimed to be a concerned citizen inside the McCain campaign. "We were told that there were 10 teams in play in 2004 across the country, in an effort to rig the election for Bush," says Kimberland. "The tipster told us that even though the players were no longer there, the setup still existed in Ohio." When the tipster told them that Connell was being threatened by Rove, Arnebeck attempted to get federal protection for him. But none was provided. However, a federal judge allowed Arnebeck to depose Connell the day before the 2008 election. Connell's lawyers asked that all conversations relative to alleged intimidation by Rove be sealed by the court, a request the judge granted. The transcript of that deposition has not yet been made available, but Arnebeck discussed the meeting in detail for Scene. http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/90/poi... Larisa now: He was not warned to avoid flying
There was never a threat on his person that I am aware of Then Larisa, you seem utterly, completely unware of the subject you write about, or you are calling Kimberlin a liar (well, he IS a convicted perjuror). It doesn't explain how you knew something in December and un-know it now.
Your source authors are not academic (or any other sort of) historians. They merely promoted an old and debunked story. They have not researched the history of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The book merely passes along an old debunked myth. Mountain Meadows is nowhere near the Grand Canyon, anyway. The book you cite:
Flagstaff, AZ-based authors Ghiglieri, a biologist who leads river trips in the Grand Canyon and abroad, and Myers, a medical doctor who has treated hundreds of Canyon injuries, have compiled a fascinating chronicle of deaths and dangers in Grand Canyon National Park. The book is arranged by category falls, dehydration, floods, the Colorado River, air crashes, freak accidents, suicides, and murder and at the end of each chapter is a chronological list with names, descriptions, and causes of the accidents. The authors show that most of the deaths, whether of tourists, prospectors, or experienced adventurers, occurred when people failed to pay attention to warning signs or did not use common sense; others are attributed to high testosterone levels.
The old BS story about the Fancher-Baker party members (not "Flancher") was put out and promoted by the Mormon community for many years to deflect blame for the atrocity. The whole claim "The Paiute People, having few firearms, approached Brigham Young and demanded that the Mormon Militia join them in seeking revenge against this wagon train." is not substantiated anywhere, but the exact opposite is shown by all available historical evidence. The Mormons enlisted the assistance of the Paiutes by promising them a portion of the captured livestock. On your assertion "a load (sic) mouthed bully who named his oxen after leaders in the Mormon Church": As the Fancher party entered Utah, Eli B. Kelsey who was returning from a Mormon mission joined them. He recalled “they were people from the country districts, sober, hard-working, plain folks, but well-to-do and, taken all-in-all, about as respectable a band of emigrants as ever passed through Salt Lake City" Yes, the Paiutes were part of the initial attack and siege. They got fed up and left the siege prior to the massacre of 120 unarmed men, women and children. Forensics (1999) concluded that the slaughter was committed entirely by whites, supporting the indications by Carleton's official report: In 1859 Brevet Major James Henry Carleton, Captain in the First Dragoons, United States Army, received orders to leave Fort Tejon, California and travel to Southern Utah to investigate the circumstances of the massacre. His investigation and findings are detailed in a report dated May 23, 1859. Carleton was shocked at what he observed: “Nearly every skull I saw had been shot through with rifle or revolver bullets. I did not see one that had been broken in with stones . . . The scene of the massacre, even at this late day, was horrible to look upon . . It is accepted by historians that the Paiutes participated in the defacing of corpses and theft of clothing and goods, along with the Mormons. I have been research assistant for the last few years to a historical researcher who has spoken, presented programs and written scholarly articles on the very subject of Mountain Meadows Massacre. Regarding your our story of 'poisoned water hole': Careful examination of these stories shows that they don’t hold up. Bagley states “Something was killing the cattle at Corn Creek, and Indian Agent Jacob Forney gave a likely explanation in 1859: “The ox died unquestionably from eating a poisonous weed that grows in most valleys in this Territory.”
Forney believed that one or two Indians died from eating the dead ox. It is known that a young boy, Proctor Robison died, supposedly because of handling the dead ox. However, the boy actually died at Fillmore almost a month after the Fancher party had camped at Corn Creek. Historian Juanita Brooks concluded that the boy died of an infection, probably anthrax. Even if the false claim of a poisoned well were true, would that explain the cold-blooded massacre of 120 unarmed men, women and children? Why would Fancher-Baker poison a well, knowing that other wagon parties were traveling behind them including some of their family members? (in fact, one man was dispatched at night from the besieged company to elicit assistance from a party that they knew was traveling behind them. He accidentally stumbled into a Mormon camp and was murdered) It is a lie. Many factors lead to the massacre, NONE having whatever to do with untrue lies of 'Fancher being a loudmouth and naming his oxen after Mormon leaders'. If you would like a list of background contributing factors leading up to this tragedy, PM me and I will gladly send it to you. If you wish to read an excellent, well researched book on the subject: Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows by Will Bagley Also an older classic: The Mountain Meadows Massacre by Juanita Brooks It would be best not to perpetuate the old inaccurate myths.
"So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again?, he is asked "I don't want to discount the possibility...I don't regret setting bombs, I feel we didn't do enough." he said in 2001."
Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn advocated the violent overthrow of the US Government, made preparations for bombing a U.S. military non-commissioned officers' dance in what had been intended to be "the most horrific hit the United States government had ever suffered on its territory", along with bombing actions against the U.S. Capitol, The Pentagon, police and prison buildings.
Three people died. It happens that the ones who died were their own people while fabricating bombs, but the intention was to murder others.
He doesn't regret setting bombs, and says he wouldn't discount doing it all again. I wonder if you ran across this part... These are the unrepentant serial bombers who "launched" Obama's start in politics.
"When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,” Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. “They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”
I think we'll hear about this from the GOP 527 ads in Sept., Oct., Nov.
Brett Kimberlin (co-founder of Velvet Revolution), set 8 bombs, one in a school parking lot, blowing off a mans's leg, who eventually died. The man's widow won a $1.6 million dollar civil judgement against Kimberlin. His outlook to this day on his 50 year prison sentence is that he was a 'political prisoner'.
Strange history.
Or, "fucking Navajos", as you call them. This is Libby. I have never called her a "fucking Navajo". I call her by her name, Libby.  Her husband was a well-known medicine-man. He went to work in the uranium mines for a time, and died of uranium poisoning. The government acknowledges that she is due compensation for his uranium death, but have managed to keep it tied up in red tape for over 35 years. She would like to have the money only to drill a community well for her village so that the people wouldn't have to drive every day to get clean water at the trading post to haul for their small sheep flocks. Her entire village on 'Moonlight Creek' has no potable water at all anymore, due to uranium pollution. She is 95 now, and will probably die before she gets the money to pay for a well for her small community. I know many of her neighbors who have been displaced from their traditional family homes due to contamination. This is Sally. I have never called her a "fucking Navajo". I call her by her name, Sally.  She lives on top of a remote high mesa, where she was born and has lived all her life. She cares for her daughter who is blind due to uranium. She also cares for a young adult man who is deformed and retarded from birth from uranium. His mother is dead. Though Sally and her parents used to have good water available, the water is poison now, and Sally's grandsons drive every single day an hour and a half each way over steep winding dirt roads to bring a tank of water in the bed of their pickup truck to water her small sheep flock and vegetables (that's how she feeds the young man, her daughter and herself). The road is impassible in winter, but the tribal gov't cares for their elder members and brings in water by helicopter each day. "what is your opinion of the units of measurement" in relation to the loss of safe water to these "fucking Navajos"?
Posted by Bobbieo, DU's own blogger 'Native Unity' for Native American news and issues-Original message Navajo Nation President Asks Congress To Honor Its Ban On Uranium Mining In Navajo Country No More Divide And Conquer!!!!! http://nativeunity.blogspot.com Navajo President, Joe Shirley Jr., On Uranium Mining - No More Divide And Conquer! By Kathy Helms Dine Bureau WINDOW ROCK – Navajo Nation President Joe Shirley Jr., testifying Wednesday in Washington, asked members of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee to respect the Nation's tragic experience with uranium mining and to honor its ban on uranium mining within Navajo Indian Country. “I will not allow dividing and conquering the Navajo people to remain a profitable strategy,” he told the committee chaired by U.S. Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., and co-chaired by ranking Republican U.S. Sen. Pete Domenici as it heard testimony on abandoned mines, hardrock mining and reform of the 1872 mining law. The hearing coincided with a lawsuit filed Wednesday by the public interest law firm Earthjustice, representing groups in New Mexico, Nevada, Illinois and Idaho, which seeks to close a loophole currently allowing mining companies and other polluting industries to skip out on costly cleanups by declaring bankruptcy. http://nativeunity.blogspot.com : From 1944 to 1986, 3.9 million tons of uranium ore were dug and blasted from Navajo soil, nearly all of it for America's atomic arsenal. Navajos inhaled radioactive dust, drank contaminated water and built homes using rock from the mines and mills. Many of the dangers persist to this day. This four-part series examines the legacy of uranium mining on the Navajo reservation.
BLIGHTED HOMELAND: Four-part Los Angeles Times series, November 2006: A peril that dwelt among the NavajosDuring the Cold War, uranium mines left contaminated waste scattered around the Indians. Homes built with the material silently pulsed with radiation. People developed cancer. And the U.S. did little to help. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na... Do check the multimedia photo galleries for each section here: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na... A few followup articles:Still no toxic cleanup plan for NavajosThe EPA plans to resume long-stalled testing for uranium mine hazards, but a coordinated federal strategy is still lacking, lawmakers told. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na... Navajos seek funds to clear uranium contaminationTribal officials ask Congress for $500 million to deal with wastes left by mining for bombs, nuclear power plants. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na... Enron prosecutor takes on Navajo uranium cleanupThe tribe hires John C. Hueston to press the U.S. to remove toxic material from its land. I know many of the people profiled and quoted in the article. I spend time in their homes and villages/towns. Each family must drive over dirt roads long distances EVERY DAY to draw water for thier flocks and themselves from a deep well at the trading post because their own wells, ponds and streams are poisoned.
We complain about the price of gas. One woman said to me, "We feel the gas prices before anyone else. When gas goes up, the tourists don't come so we have less income, and we still have to go far for our water."
I know a very old woman who is a widow of a uranium miner who died of uranium poisoning. The government admits that she is due compensation. She has waited more than 30 years to get through the red-tape. She wants the money before she dies so she can have a deep well drilled for her community so they can have good water. She is 95 now.
Rep. Tom Udall (D-New Mexico) is now running for U.S. Senate, and has a deep understanding of the issue and has worked closely with the Navajo on Uranium cleanup. http://www.udallforusall.com/index.php
Howard Shanker is running for Congressman in District 1 of Arizona that encompasses the AZ portion of the Navajo reservation. He is an attorney who has worked with the Navajo (accompanying them to Washington DC for testimony at Rep. Waxman's hearings) on this issue and other environmental issues.
From candidate Shanker's site:Uranium Contamination Many of you have read about the testimony in recent Congressional hearings presented to Rep. Henry Waxman, Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, regarding the legacy of uranium contamination on Navajo land. For decades, the Navajo Nation and many grass roots organizations have been trying to address this human tragedy in real terms -- with only marginal success. Hopefully, one of the defining moments of this struggle took place last week. As one of the attorneys representing the Navajo Nation on the uranium contamination issue, I had the privilege of working with the Navajo delegation to help prepare them for this hearing. I was also honored to attend the hearing in Washington, D.C. and to monitor the testimony and questions first hand. In spite of ongoing discussions with the Bureau of Indian Affairs ("BIA"), the Department of Energy ("DOE"), and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency ("EPA"), and limited clean up of specific areas, this was the first sense I had that something meaningful may actually be accomplished – that this tragic legacy of contamination may eventually be addressed on a large scale. An L.A. Times article from November 2006 first alerted Chairman Waxman to the plight of the Navajo - not the fact that the federal government had utterly failed to address this mess for decades. As outlined in the L.A. Times article, "from 1944 to 1986, 3.9 million tons of uranium ore were chiseled and blasted from the mountains and plains. The mines provided uranium for the Manhattan project, the top-secret effort to develop an atomic bomb . . . private companies operated the mines, but the U.S. government was the sole customer. . . . As the Cold War threat gradually diminished over the next two decades, more than 1,000 mines and four processing mills on tribal land shut down." The radioactive waste and debris from these operations, however, largely remains. People live in and around uranium-contaminated areas. Livestock grazes and children play amongst radioactive waste and debris. There is a palpable threat of radioactive contamination to the ground water in many areas. At the hearing, Edith Hood, while choking back tears, talked about the mining waste near her home in the Church Rock area, and the sickness and illnesses that plagued her and her family. These sentiments were echoed by Larry King and Ray Manygoats. Phil Harrison, although a Navajo Nation Council Delegate, testified as to his personal experience with uranium contamination. George Arthur, also a Council Delegate, testified in his capacity as the Chairman of the Navajo Natural Resources Committee. Mr. Arthur made it clear to the Committee that enough study has been done. It was now time for the federal government to take action to address this ongoing human tragedy. Stephen Etsity, the head of the Navajo EPA, managed to bring Navajo soil (from the Tuba City area) into the hearing chambers, where he used a device to demonstrate the existence of gamma radiation. http://www.howardshankerforcongress.com/in... 
Since you refered to me as "Ms. School Marm", I assume this will be used toward any woman you disagree with. The new 'hip' phrase to use against women. Your use shows that it is not reserved for HRC now. It is to be used for any woman who cares to challenge bullshit.
We've sure come a long way.
"what issues will you NEVER give up?"
It caused me to search myself, and I knew it was gay rights and birth choice.
On "choice", I've done all three. I gave birth adopted out (we connected and she's a Dem!). I also raised a birth child. I also have had abortions.
The other issue that I could never compromise on is gay rights. I am not gay.
I will NEVER compromise on the issues because they right and correct. I will NOT negotiate with you or anyone. I don't give a shit to convince you about your choices on womens' reproductive choice or gay rights.
Nobody will move me from my convictions.
I am 56. I won't be needing an abortion. I am not gay. I will support and work for forever the rights of womens' choice and absolute equality of GLBT whatever you do.
I want more conversations on these issues. I don't want them always in the GLBT forum anymore. Are we Dems or are we not goddammit!? Why the fuck are the GLBT needing to go in a different place? BECAUSE we do not support them.
Why? I'd like anyone to tell me why.
It makes me sick.
This article is from 2005, and gives an interesting look at some of the effects. Prop. 200 Passed After a Campaign Rife with Xenophobia and Half-Truths
In 2004, anti-immigrant groups nationwide with intimate ties to white nationalist organizations focused their attention on Arizona. Residents there were frustrated with low-wage jobs, poor healthcare, and funding being directed away from schools and public benefits programs. Extremists joined with a handful of fringe local groups to promote a hateful agenda of blaming immigrants for the state's woes.
In fact, immigrants, both documented and undocumented, contribute heavily to Arizona's economy. The Thunderbird School of International Management and Wells Fargo Bank, in their report Economic Impact of the Mexico-Arizona Relationship, demonstrated that immigrants make enormous tax contributions, paying annually $300 million more than they receive in services in Arizona.6 In 2001, Mexican immigrants in Arizona paid $1.5 billion in mortgages and rent, and Arizona banks and other financial institutions received $57 million in transaction costs and fees from remittances sent to Mexico from the state. In addition, Mexican immigrant purchasing power in Arizona was estimated at $3.9 billion in 2001.
Further contradicting FAIR's numbers, the New York Times recently reported that the 8 to 10 million undocumented immigrant workers in the U. S. are now providing the Social Security system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year. This money will never be collected by undocumented immigrants themselves and will help fund the retirement of U.S. citizens for decades to come.8 Nevertheless, FAIR continues to peddle its own statistics to promote Prop. 200 copycats in other states, scapegoating immigrants--not the federal government--for the severe cutbacks in state social and health services. Voting Rights of U.S. Citizens Under Attack
Prop. 200 backers also made unfounded accusations that undocumented immigrants voted in Arizona. Their true aim was to suppress voting by people of color. They openly declared during a televised debate, "Too many Latinos are voting." The impact of Prop. 200 identification requirements on voter registration has been staggering--in Pima County, over a two-week period early this month, 423 of 712 voter registration forms were rejected, or 59% of new voters. Last year, when 6 times as many people were registering because of the presidential election, no voter registration forms were rejected.
Since the approval of Prop. 200 by Arizona voters, immigrants have come under further attack from the Arizona legislature. This legislative session there were more than 20 anti-immigrant bills that sought to expand Prop. 200's application and many of them have been approved or are still pending.
Arizona is already red-flagged by the U.S. Justice Department (USDOJ) because of its history of widespread voter intimidation against people of color. Consequently, all changes to the state's voting laws must be approved by the federal government. Despite Prop. 200's blatant discriminatory intent, in January 2005 the USDOJ ruled that forcing people to show proof of citizenship when registering to vote does not deter people of color from voting.
Arizona is now the first state in the U.S. to require that anyone registering to vote present a birth certificate, passport, or tribal identity card. In Arizona, approximately one-third of the Latino and African American populations live in poverty. Citizens who cannot afford to purchase a birth certificate ($15 in Arizona), or passport ($85) will be prohibited from registering to vote. Civil rights leaders say this is eerily reminiscent of racist poll taxes. Prop. 200 also wipes out clipboard voter registration drives because making copies of the required documents at a potential new voter's doorstep is practically impossible. A number of bills currently before the legislature seek to further restrict voting rights and are sponsored by the same anti-immigrant contingent of legislators. Arizona Becomes the VanguardState for Anti-Immigrant Measures
Since the approval of Prop. 200 by Arizona voters, immigrants have come under further attack from the Arizona legislature. This legislative session there were more than 20 anti-immigrant bills that sought to expand Prop. 200's application and many of them have been approved or are still pending.
Prop. 200-like legislation is actively being promoted by FAIR and other anti-immigrant organizations around the country. Emboldened by Prop. 200's passage in Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, and Ohio are all facing similar measures. In Arkansas, Joe McCutchen recently became the chair of "Protect Arkansas Now," a group supporting the "Arkansas Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act," closely modeled on Proposition 200. A recent report by the Southern Poverty Law Center notes that Joe McCutchen was a member of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) in 2001, according to the CCC's newspaper. National and International Boycott of Arizona Imminent
Prop. 200, the rapid advance of its legislative offspring, and the upsurge of armed paramilitaries on the border, have prompted communities in Mexico, Arizona, and across the United States to begin organizing a boycott of Arizona. The boycott will target Arizona businesses, conventions, and tourism, and will ask individuals and businesses to shop, travel, and conduct business elsewhere.
The communities most affected by Prop. 200 and its offspring bills in the Arizona Legislature wield considerable economic power. Mexican tourists alone spend an estimated $1.6 billion in Arizona every year, and Mexican immigrant purchasing power is close to $4 billion. Mexicans who might normally visit Arizona to shop would be asked not to purchase anything in the state. In addition, immigrants, Latinos, and their allies in Arizona have begun to engage in work stoppages, and are considering boycotting specific industries or companies that support anti-immigrant legislation. More: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0605-2...
of voters waiting and gave a little "Hey, hang in there!" to every few folk.
I was done & leaving.
Then a woman said to me, "Do they have any help for people needing assistance?" I saw that she was with an elder who likely was her father. He was using a walker. I looked around and realized how many elders we have on canes and walkers, or just couldn't stand that long.
I said, "I don't know, but I WILL find out." I went back into the vote room and spoke to 'bossmam'. I said, "There are many people in line who have physical challenges and must have assistance. What accomodations are being provided?" She didn't like the question, but I pressed strongly and we agreed to provide the next room with an OPEN door for them. I asked her promise that they would be immediately assisted in voting, not ignored, and she agreed.
I went down the long line many times and brought people into the room where they could sit comfortably, and by golly, I saw they WERE having their votes taken and given attention and care. So I left, went home. I felt uneasy and went back, to see if some people again should be told that there is a way for them to vote witout trying to stand in line an hour.
So I went back. I walked up the line. There wasn't a cane or walker to be found in line?! I went into the side-room and found 'bossmam' talking with voters who needed assistance.
I spoke to the other precinct opscan woman who said that nobody ever thought about it before I brought it up, but that they'd been walking down the line ever since.
It was a grand day for me. I voted, and I helped some others to vote, too.
I know, their votes probably cancelled mine out several times over (as they're mostly likely republicans), but I'm happy to have helped make sure they could vote.
As I left, I spoke to a good Dem-lookin' woman at the end of the line. I explained it all, and she promised to keep watch and help and pass it along.
The utter bullshit: "No serious Election Integrity expert to our knowledge, has charged fraud, or even error by anybody, at this time." ~Brad Friedman -1/22/08 http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5586 But wait! Bev says she'd already decided on 1/11 that there had been ballot substitutions (which would be fraud?) in NH before her plane even touched down: "I literally took a red-eye at the last minute, by myself, forgetting my coat, knowing that this recount could spell disaster. Nancy was dead-on. No one was looking at anything -- and when Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton identified specific statistical issues that were very difficult to explain, I knew there would be ballot substitution. I left Friday Jan. 11, and figured at that time that Manchester had already been substituted. (I think I was wrong, and it took place later, and more hastily, but I'll develop that evidence more thoroughly later)." ~Bev Harris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CASE_OH/mess... On the other hand, I agree. Bev Harris is not an "Election Integrity expert".
The Mormon church has spent 150 years trying to cover and minimize the subject of the worst massacre of whites in Western American history, perpetrated by Mormons against 120 innocent men, women and children (and orchestrated and covered up according to modern historians, by 'Prophet' and church leader, Joseph Smith)... wagon-train pioneers from Arkansas crossing through Utah: The Mountain Meadows Massacre. In 1999, the bones of 29 of the victims were accidentally unearthed. Per Utah state law requirements, the unearthed remains were beginning to be forensically examined. This examination disproved the long-standing lie by the church that "Indians did it", and proved that stories by eyewitness survivors were true: that the people had been executed by Mormons in cold blood. So though Utah state law required complete forensic examination prior to re-interment (6 months), the Utah governor stepped in and had the remains repossessed within 24 hours and reburied. The descendants of the slaughtered Arkansas pioneers appealed to then-Arkansas Governor Huckabee to have the remains declared to be under federal jurisdiction, rather than the Mormon church. ... descendants have enlisted the support of Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in calling for federal stewardship of the emigrant mass graves scattered in Mountain Meadows, instead of having the Mormon Church own the land. "We're doubtful with the church in control this will ever be completely put to rest," says Scott Fancher, president of the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation in Arkansas. "There's a sense among some of our members it's like having Lee Harvey Oswald in charge of JFK's tomb." http://www.cesnur.org/testi/morm_01.htm No love lost between the Mormon establishment and Huckabee.
Brett Kimberlin... after six prior felony convictions, and admitting to smuggling literally tons of drugs, was convicted of setting off eight bombs (one in a school parking lot which blew a man's leg off and severely injured his wife), illegally posessed and wore DoD insignia and the Presidential Seal, illegally attempted to obtain military license plates and military driver's license while impersonating a DoD official, and called news conferences from prison during a campaign claiming to have sold drugs to VP Dan Quayle... is out of prison. Kimberlin actually set off numerous REAL bombs, and one of his victims died as a result. He showed a peculiar interest in VP Dan Quayle. He impersonated a high gov't official. He claims he was never given a trial, that "right-wingers" and the government put him in prison as a "political prisoner". Is he mentally ill or just a bad criminal? I haven't a clue. But he is now out here among us. ... thirty-four counts stemming from a series of bombings in Speedway, Indiana. Counts 1 through 16... illegally possessed and manufactured firearms in connection with the bombings; Counts 17 through 22 ... maliciously caused damage by means of explosives; Counts 23 and 24 ... a convicted felon, possessed explosives; and, Count 25 ... illegally transported ammunition in interstate commerce. Counts 26 through 30... unlawfully possessed an official insignia of the Department of Defense and a Presidential seal, and Counts 31 through 34...falsely impersonated a Department of Defense official. He served 15 years, was paroled, violated parole, served a bit more and has been out on the street among us since 2001. Sqeaky is still in prison perhaps because she attacked a fellow inmate with a claw-hammer. She escaped prison in 1987, attempting to meet Charlie Manson. "Though she has been eligible for parole since 1985, Fromme has consistently waived her right to a hearing." The man in NH didn't even have a real bomb. I suspect he'll do some time. Probably won't get off on insanity. Betcha he's out in three or four years. NH crimes weren't that much different than what OJ is charged with, except real weapons were involved with OJ. If OJ is convicted, he'll likely get a long sentence, but parole after a few. Kimberlin was sentenced to 50 years, but got out after 15. Eight bombs, a dead man, a fixation on gov't/politician.
From the U.S. Census Bureau: United States Median household income, 2004 $44,334 Los Angeles County Median household income, 2004 $43,518 San Diego Median household income, 2004 $51,939 San Diego Cost of Living Index = 186.95% National Average Go to this site: http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costoflivin... and type in $53,000 San Diego, and then type in your town and state. See if San Diegans are "rich". Salary in San Diego CA: $53,000 Comparable salary in Baton Rouge LA: $34,018.62 If you move from San Diego CA to Baton Rouge LA... Groceries will cost: 16.49% less Housing will cost: 61.005% less Utilities will cost: 4.396% more Transportation will cost: 15.096% less Healthcare will cost: 16.422% less Salary in San Diego CA: $53,000 Comparable salary in Pittsburgh PA: $34,467.23 If you move from San Diego CA to Pittsburgh PA... Groceries will cost: 16.857% less Housing will cost: 59.73% less Utilities will cost: 7.209% more Transportation will cost: 14.307% less Healthcare will cost: 26.022% less : http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costoflivin... Ronny has a beautiful pool-boy only because Ronny is a superstar-celebrity.
You still "regrettably exaggerate": claim people "prefer to view and obtain information about vote counts".
The actual poll statement is: "(agree or disagree) Citizens have the right to view and obtain information about how election officials count votes", indicating they believe there is a right to know how officials count. I would imagine they would prefer it, but that was not asked.
Neither of the numbers 79.8% (or 80%), 91.8% (or 92%) equate to your claim "ZogbyPoll - It's Unanimous!". More "regrettable exaggeration".
I am mystified as to why you contracted for the poll, and after having it pointed out for over a year that you have been "swapping two figures", you not only persist in doing it, but ask "what's the big difference?"
I think truth and accuracy versus "exaggeration" and Swapping figures" is the difference, and you might expect the practice to effect credibility.
We take numbers pretty seriously around here.
Why not skip the "swapping" and "exaggerating" and simply say "80% do not believe it is acceptable for votes to be counted in secret without any outside observers from the public"?
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